Herr General Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Leopold IIIRoi des BelgesA tous pr?sents et a venir SalutVoulant donner a Monsieur ---- , Sagnais a la Cour de La Majest? la Reine des Pays-Bas,un T?moignage de Notre bienveillance; Nous avons arret? et arretons;Art.1. La medaille de 3eme classe instutu?e pas Notre arret? du 2 Avril 1934 est accord?e a Monsieur ---- pregnalifie,Art.2. Le Chef de Notre Cabinet est charge de l'execution du pr?sent arr?t?.Donn? a Bruscelles, le 27 d?cembre 1938.Se LeopoldPar le Roi:Le Chef du Cabinet du Roi ffSe Baron CapelleCertifi? conforme;Le secr?taire du Cabinet du Roi, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Oh great, Belgian French language officialese ... you can't but hate it Here goes :Leopold III, King of the Belgians,To all those present and to come, our greetings.Wishing to extend to Mr. ....., "sagnais" (don't think this is the right word, please check) to the court of Her Majesty the Queen of the Netherlands, our benevolent recognition, we have decided and decide :Art. 1 the 3rd class medal, instituted by our Decree of 2 April 1934, is awarded to Mr. .... - "pregnalifie" (again I think you misread the word here)Art. 2 The Head of our Office is charged with the execution of the present decree.Given in Brussels, 27 December 1938"Se" (Could that be SA = Son Altesse = His Highness ???) LeopoldFor the King :Head of the King's OfficeBaron CapelleCertified for conformity :The Secretary to the King's Office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Excellent translation by Hendrick !!!To "discover" the few words remaining, it would be interesting to see a scan of the doc. Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr General Posted April 22, 2007 Author Share Posted April 22, 2007 Here are the unknown words, a full scan will follow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr General Posted April 22, 2007 Author Share Posted April 22, 2007 Here is the full document Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 The 1st word is "laquais", which means "lackey".The 2nd one is "pr?qualifi?", which means "prequalified". There is certainly one word missing there... Prequalified for what ?Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Thanks for the doc, a nice one!!!! In fact, "pr?qualifi?" seems to corrspond to a kind of status. Hendrik, any more information about this ?Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr General Posted April 22, 2007 Author Share Posted April 22, 2007 Some more info. This Lackey retired from his service to the court in 1934. Could the unknown word have something to do with him receiving the document years after receiving the medal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Maybe, but, this could could also mean he qualified a time ago (when still in service) and not at the time of the awarding when he aws not any more... And in 1938, was in the position of a "pr?qualifi?" awardee... To be checked with the regulations of the medal... Hendrik ?Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Sorry guys, I'm stumped at the "pr?qualifi?" as well ... unless it some odd way of indeed indicating that the recipient earned it at an earlier stage Cheers,Hendrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Sorry guys, I'm stumped at the "pr?qualifi?" as well ... unless it some odd way of indeed indicating that the recipient earned it at an earlier stage Cheers,HendrikWhat I think... Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr General Posted April 22, 2007 Author Share Posted April 22, 2007 I think that this is the only possibility since this lackey retired 4 years before the document was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djedj Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Hmm, couldn't it just mean "whose quality we already wrote down" ?A way of not re-writing the whole "Laquais ? la Cour de Sa Majest? la Reine des Pays-Bas", while stating that this very quality is consubstantial to the awarding of the order in the decree.It is a bit odd in French, but then again old formal language often is - and it does make sense.Salutations,J?r?me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Hello J?r?me,I think you hit the nail right on the head there ! A far better and more logical explanation to that little mystery; well done !!! And it just dawned on me the "Se" before Leopold stands for "sign?" (signed) ...Cheers,Hendrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr General Posted April 25, 2007 Author Share Posted April 25, 2007 What remains a mistery to me is that a lackey that resigned in 1934 (according to the archive of the Royal House) received a award for servants of foreign courts in 1938.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 a lackey that resigned in 1934 (according to the archive of the Royal House) received a award for servants of foreign courts in 1938....Ha, but nobody told the Belgian court he had done so ... and, the mills of administration grind slowly, very slowly indeed ! Belgian veterans of WWI were still awarded medals in the 1950's to give but one example !Cheers,Hendrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr General Posted April 25, 2007 Author Share Posted April 25, 2007 Sounds right Hendrik!Thanks every one for there comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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