Bill Garvy Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 I am respectfully soliciting the best thinking of our august membership regarding this cross.Several hypotheses present themselves. On the one hand, it may be, indeed, a "23" maker maker cross for the manufacturing firm of Arbeitsgemeinschaft fur Heereshedarf darf In der Graveur-u. Ziseleurinnung, on the other, a Souval manufactured piece, possibly period, possibly post-war, onto which the "23" has been stamped on the underside of the pin. The core and frame certainly do not match the 23's I have observed in 2nd Class.What do you think?obverse:reverse:maker mark: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 (edited) Unusual to say the least. Looks to have a Souval Obverse and and Floch reverse characteristics Edited May 19, 2007 by Darrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted May 19, 2007 Author Share Posted May 19, 2007 Interesting hypothesis; Floch & Souval are both from Vienna. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 obverse rims are positively souval, distinctive beading at the corners, does not look like a floch reverse, certainly not a post war floch. My personal opinion, is a genuine period souval cross, the 23 may well be the official Prasidialkanzlei Numbers, not LDO numbers which Souval was L/58 and signified authorised private purchase manufacture.just my opinionattached period Souval Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 alex and bill's reverses are different.the thing that stands out to me on bill's EKare the merry-go-round numerals....the one and the nine off kilter at their bases.i've seen this before, and not associated with herr floch, but can't remember where....i like both crosses, but the 23 is a first for me.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Hi Joe, taking a closer look at the numbers, you're right, I didn't look closely enough, they are of kilter.so maybe not a souval piece but possibly a co-operation between souval and another maker?regardsAlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 Clasp. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Hi it may seem co-incidental, but that looks very similar to the clasp on my 1914-18 ek1 made by S & L during 1939-45, regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gordon Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I can think of several makers that used this style of catch...S&L(4), Orth(15), Fritz Zimmermann(6) spring to mind as well as the fake Floch.So it seems just to be a 'style' and not identifiable to one particular maker.Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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