ccj Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Who knows how many people earned the same wartime awards as Erwin Rommel with the exception of the PlM?I would assume his combination by not be that rare, especially for Wurttembergers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 The rarity is the W?rttemberg Goldene Milit?r-Verdienstmedaille, awarded 1,832 times to W?rttemberg junior officers. The Friedrichs-Orden Ritter II. Klasse mit Schwertern was more common to junior officers - 5,000 awards to junior officers.Daniel would know better, but I'd guess about 60% of the 2,200 or so W?rttemberg Milit?r-Verdienstorden RKs went to Hauptleute and below. Then you'd have to get both the Bavarian MVO and the Austrian MVK, both relatively common for veterans of the Italian front and Romania, less so for others. Some with similar combinations:Rommel: plM, WM3, WF3bX, WgMVM, BMV4X, ?M3KTheobald Lieb: WM3, WF3bX, WgMVM, HH, ?M3K (swap the Hamburg for the Bavarian, and the same but for the plM; Lieb also had the RKdEK with Oakleaves in WW2)Kurt von Greiff: plM, WM3, WF3bX, BMV4XmKr, WK3X, HHO3XWalther Fischer von Weikersthal: WM3, WF3aX, WgMVM, ?M3K; his BMV4 was without swords; also RKdEK in WW2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 22, 2007 Author Share Posted July 22, 2007 The rarity is the W?rttemberg Goldene Milit?r-Verdienstmedaille, awarded 1,832 times to W?rttemberg junior officers. The Friedrichs-Orden Ritter II. Klasse mit Schwertern was more common to junior officers - 5,000 awards to junior officers.Daniel would know better, but I'd guess about 60% of the 2,200 or so W?rttemberg Milit?r-Verdienstorden RKs went to Hauptleute and below. Then you'd have to get both the Bavarian MVO and the Austrian MVK, both relatively common for veterans of the Italian front and Romania, less so for others. Some with similar combinations:Rommel: plM, WM3, WF3bX, WgMVM, BMV4X, ?M3KTheobald Lieb: WM3, WF3bX, WgMVM, HH, ?M3K (swap the Hamburg for the Bavarian, and the same but for the plM; Lieb also had the RKdEK with Oakleaves in WW2)Kurt von Greiff: plM, WM3, WF3bX, BMV4XmKr, WK3X, HHO3XWalther Fischer von Weikersthal: WM3, WF3aX, WgMVM, ?M3K; his BMV4 was without swords; also RKdEK in WW2Thanks Dave,I want to get my hands on the awards rolls of Wurttemberg among others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 One amazingly complicated thing that Daniel has done is to track received-and-superceded-returned-and-then-RE-awarded W?rttemberg decorations. All we ever think about with groups is the final result, but with W?rttemberg's MADNESS someone could have gotten a Gold MMM, had to turn it in for a Friedrich Knight 2ndX, then had to turn THAT back in for a MMO... and then the regulations changed so Hypothetical Officer X ended up getting a Friedrich Knight 2ndX AGAIN-- end result, 2 ribboned awards, for 4 times being decorated!!!! Another poor slob might have run the gambit before the "second time around" rules-- and ended up with ONE award to show for the entire war--while a late war Leutnant ended up with THREE wearable-- both having received the same three awards. Merit had nothing to do with it-- it was all random timing and their insane rules changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 This is a side issue, but does directly relate to Rommel's awards. I've never seen any decent and highly detailed photos of his awards that are "still in the family." It's interesting to note that no one seems to have managed to include them as part of publications on the EK/RK or PLM, -particularly- since he was received awards from both categories.The family is "approachable" on this matter, although the "politics" involved may require gaining the confidence of the family, etc. During the filming of "The Longest Day", the German actor portraying Rommel is said to have been loaned Rommel's actual awards for the purposes of filming.Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 . During the filming of "The Longest Day", the German actor portraying Rommel is said to have been loaned Rommel's actual awards for the purposes of filming.LesIs this TRUE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I'm not sure, but if I remember correctly, they are "still in the family", but though shown in a public museum in Stuttgart?! At least I have a picture ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 I'm not sure, but if I remember correctly, they are "still in the family", but though shown in a public museum in Stuttgart?! At least I have a picture ...I wonder where his Spange, tank badge, Italian decorations, and other awards are now days. Bill Shea has his cuff title, an overcoat, a visor cap, and his parade tunic.Photo Credit: Bill Shea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 OvercoatPhoto Credit: Bill Shea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 OK, so my question becomes... if all the nasty swatikas have to be covered at a military show that trades in historical objects... why are said same historical objects displayed uncovered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 OK, so my question becomes... if all the nasty swatikas have to be covered at a military show that trades in historical objects... why are said same historical objects displayed uncovered?Museums are probably considered exempt from Penal Code 86 & 86a since the items are there for study.But I bet if you Clicked your Heels and start humming the wrong song ..they'd drag you out of the Museum in a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I always remembered the story that the Family loaned one of his Uniforms to James Mason for the "Desert Fox" but , the Tunic was never returned to the Family.I never found out if there was any truth to that or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Hi, On next wenesday there will have in France a film about Erwin Rommel and his family. I iwll look at it and, I hope, answer some questions.Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 28, 2007 Author Share Posted July 28, 2007 Hi, On next wenesday there will have in France a film about Erwin Rommel and his family. I iwll look at it and, I hope, answer some questions.ChristopheThat's great. I wish I could go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Is this TRUE?Charles,I read an old "Time" magazine special that was made about the time the movie was originally released. The article reported that tidbit but whether it is true"....I don't know for certain. Movie studios aren't necessarily bound by ethical considerations when hyping films, actors, etc. http://gmic.co.uk/style_images/gmicfinal2/...icons/icon8.gifLes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted July 30, 2007 Author Share Posted July 30, 2007 Charles,I read an old "Time" magazine special that was made about the time the movie was originally released. The article reported that tidbit but whether it is true"....I don't know for certain. Movie studios aren't necessarily bound by ethical considerations when hyping films, actors, etc. http://gmic.co.uk/style_images/gmicfinal2/...icons/icon8.gifLesThat sounds about right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Does anyone have more close ups of Rommel's awards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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