Danny70 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Hi All... I thought some of you might be interested to see this - something not encountered everyday... A memorial/death card for: Sean Doyle, 4th Batt. Engineers, I.R.A. Inchicore, Dublin who was shot at Kilmashogue, Co. Dublin on Sunday 19th September, 1920 by the armed forces of the British Crown Aged 19 years. Sorry about the image quality, it was photographed in bad light and heavily compressed to reduce the file-size.Regards - Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Hallo Danny, a rare and not to often seen item, congratulations on your find.A picture of the headstone would be interesting to see, he was buried in Esker Cemetary, Lucan, Co. DublinKevin in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh kitchen Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 What exactly was the function of his unit - "Engineers"? Would it be the same as a regular military unit of engineers?And the illustration of the badge behind the tricolours - similar to the Republics cap badge, is this what it represents or was it of a different design?I'm not too clued up on these kind of insignia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul L Murphy Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 It is very unusual to see a unit designation like "Engineers", the normal description was just x Battalion, y Brigade. In the context of the Anglo Irish War IRA, engineers would possibly have been bomb makers or else blokes who dug up roads to create barricades etc. The symbol is a representation of the cap badge, the Dublin Brigade cap badge was almost identical to the modern FF badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1964 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) Hi Gentlemen, I have a photo of his grave and also one of his funeral heading down emmet Road Inchicore, Dublin if you are interested. There is also a memorial on the spot in which he was shot.Permission I belive is required here as its now in the middle of a golf course. Regards James Langton Edited June 24, 2009 by James1964 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny70 Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Hi Gentlemen, I have a photo of his grave and also one of his funeral heading down emmet Road Inchicore, Dublin if you are interested. There is also a memorial on the spot in which he was shot.Permission I belive is required here as its now in the middle of a golf course. Regards James LangtonHello James,Welcome to GMIC!. I'd love to see those photographs, would you mind posting them here and if you cannot, would you mind emailing them to me to post?Regards - Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1964 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Hi Danny, Thank you for the welcome. They seem too big to post. Email me at langton39@hotmail.com and I'll send them on. Do you have anything else yourself on the 4th Battalion? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Symmonds Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Welcome James.I am sure you will enjoy these blokes and their kowledge as much as I have. As a relatively newbie myself welcome too to the waters of nothing-is-too-big-to-post. You'll figure it out I'm sure, trial and error, but start by getting the resolution down to about 150 and work on the target size - 110 x 100 or something close to it. BUT BEWARE THAT THE EPSON-EERS DONT CATCH UP TO YOU! regardsThomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1964 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Thank you Thomas, I'll give it a shot so. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 BUT BEWARE THAT THE EPSON-EERS DONT CATCH UP TO YOU! Speaking against the Mighty Epson-eers will result in:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1csr0dxalpIBe warned....L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh kitchen Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) I forgot to ask -shot by the British army shot as in acation, or executed?In action, I think by the choice of wording? Edited June 28, 2009 by leigh kitchen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1964 Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 He was shot dead at Kilmashogue mountain under dubious circumstances whileon a training weekend with his unit, the 5th engineers. James Langton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny70 Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 Posting these images of Sean Doyle's grave for James1964.Thanks James, it's nice to see his final resting place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diarmuid o connor Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (James1964 @ Jun 24 2009, 20:11 ) Hi Gentlemen, I have a photo of his grave and also one of his funeral heading down emmet Road Inchicore, Dublin if you are interested. There is also a memorial on the spot in which he was shot. Permission I belive is required here as its now in the middle of a golf course. Regards James Langton Hello James, Welcome to GMIC!. I'd love to see those photographs, would you mind posting them here and if you cannot, would you mind emailing them to me to post? Regards - Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diarmuid o connor Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 hello danny did u know there was a poem written about sean doyle. by another f co. man and living in inchicore at the time councilor sean o concubhair a friend of peader doyle. a tribute to sean doyle. the kincora book of verse. published by talbot press 1928. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1964 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Hello Diarmuid, Welcome to the site, not too long here myself, and I must add a nice bunch of chaps here. Do you have a copy of that poem by any chance? Or indeed anything on the Fourth Battalion especially F coy? Doing a project on them at the moment and would be greatful for any information or articles etc on them. My email is langton39@hotmail.com Kind Regards James Langton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfort rock Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 What exactly was the function of his unit - "Engineers"? Would it be the same as a regular military unit of engineers? It is very unusual to see a unit designation like "Engineers", the normal description was just x Battalion, y Brigade. In the context of the Anglo Irish War IRA, engineers would possibly have been bomb makers or else blokes who dug up roads to create barricades etc. I hope my first post is of interest here. I've taken excerpts from my maternal Grandfather's Military Service Pension Application form. They clearly support Paul L Murphy's description of 'Engineers' from this period. Also they show, in this particular case, 'Engineers' to be a small unit within my Grandfather's company, going on to form a larger body at Battalion or Brigade level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh kitchen Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Very interesting, as is obvious from what I asked in previous posts(& the replies), I wondered whether engineer meant part of a body of men, or an individual "specialist". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerardkenny Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Just seeing this thread now, & that is a very interesting card. Here is a very small addition ot the thread. His father Alderman Peadar S Doyle was a friend of Vincent Byrne (Comdt. Vincent Byrne II Bn, Dublin Brigade, Old IRA - of Michael Collins' Squad) here are a couple of christmas cards from him to V.Byrne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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