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Every Single 1870 EK Winner's Name and Unit List

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It is easy to use, simple to crop and enlarge-- Guinea Pig 1 reporting:

PERFECT IN EVERY WAY !!!!

:jumping::jumping::jumping::jumping::jumping::jumping::jumping:

here's the fellow above, later char. General der Kavallerie... and beat Rommel to the Nile by 60 years:

listed among the recipients who got BOTH classes at the same time!

:cheers:

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it would be interesting to know the award numbers. Are there totals listed?

Edited by Paul C

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WoW!

Score!

Id love to have a copy as well! But id reccommend you sell your services and keep this info protected, registered and demand the reason its required. Only thing is this info if made 100% public assessable and not controlled will aid fakers (and people padding up groups to sell at inflated prices of all sorts) in some ways! I know 100% sure there are many dealers who will skin people with "untouched and named groups"....

Best,

Pete

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What about "my" Alfred v. Besser? He should be in there too, EK2 as Sek.-Lt.

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Totals are there because they are all numbered in alphabetical order. The award DATES are not there, but what we need most is knowing WHICH "Schmidt" got one, and in what unit, from which dates can then be found once we know where to look.

Actually, Alfred was still only a junior officer candidate:

This is PRECISELY the sort fo thing the Super List clarifies. :cheers:

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Now that is interesting, thanks! Born in 1854, he was 17 at that time - so no wonder he was not yet commissioned. (And I still haven't found his exact commission date yet.)

Quite a prolific family! :beer::cheers:

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I think we all know and have profited from Glenns selfless service to the collectors on this and other forums.

Detailed posts with info gleaned from thousands of hours of research.

Gas bills, train tickets, hotel costs in towns where the archives are. Xerox costs... etc. etc. etc...

I know this is a topic that makes Glenn a little bashful (well, about as bashful as a senior Guards NCO can be) as he does not want to start charging money for research, but I suggested to him that he not undersell himself on this.

He suggested a ballpark figure which I think is more than justified considering the time, effort and money his research costs and the immense research value that this represents.

I think we have waited decades for this, we can wait a tad longer while he sets himself up.

I would suggest a copyright thing that prevents someone making copies to ebay.

As soon as he is ready, my check will be in the mail :-)))))

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I would suggest a copyright thing that prevents someone making copies to ebay.

As soon as he is ready, my check will be in the mail :-)))))

I agree with these two lines from Chris... definitely copyright this!!!!

and, I'm ready for one too (if and when the time is right).

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The indefatiguable Glenn's objection has been that he cannot "copyright" something which was printed by an Official Body--even as far back as 1877.

But HE is the one who travels, finds, and laboriously copies those dusty old forgotten "lost" and undreamt of sources, and is now willing to share all that research labour-- and SHOULD be properly compensated for his work. :cheers:

A similar issue affects Daniel's and my work with never published award rolls. In our case, we are not simply transcribing the Official Bodies' ledgers, we are ADDING (often massively) personal data and cross referencing awards.

It comes down to RESPECT for someone's long, hard efforts.

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Hi gents,

Well it happens that there are a few companies out there who make a living selling scanned copies of Army Lists. Like :

<a href="http://youroldbooksandmaps.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://youroldbooksandmaps.co.uk/</a>

I'd contact them re. digital copyrights - something they must have studied thoroughly.

I agree he cannot copyright the original material - but he can copyright his work - i.e. his scans !

The general idea should be :

- The original material is free of right (copyright lapsed)

- Scanning them creates a copyright on the scans.

- If someone finds the copyright-free material (another copy of the book), they can do whatever they want with it.

- However the scans themselves are yours and they can't be used commercially without your consent.

More here :

http://www.mda.org.uk/cdigi.htm

I'm not sure you could prevent someone from re-typing all the lists and commercialize that (but it's such a pain that I doubt anyone will).

Practically, the difficulty is to prove that the scan is yours (nothing looks like an old scanned page as well as another scanned page).

Or rather, to show they're yours to prevent someone from appropriating your scans to commercialize them.

So I'd recommend a watermark of sort on each page - a bit tedious when hundreds of pages are there, but that's the only practical way to deter piracy.

Go for it - there's potential here !

Cheers,

Jerome

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Hi,

I realise that copyright in the legal sense has no stand here.

I meant a copyright protector program m that will stop folks making copies of the disk for their Amigos and to ebay for "Buy it now: Ebay: USD3.99"

A simple question of making life difficult for crooked collectors.

Best

Chris

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Now that is interesting, thanks! Born in 1854, he was 17 at that time - so no wonder he was not yet commissioned. (And I still haven't found his exact commission date yet.)

Seconde-Lieutenant: 5.1.71

Regards

Glenn

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Seconde-Lieutenant: 5.1.71

Regards

Glenn

Many, many thanks! :cheers:

He was born 9.3.1854 - which means he was commissioned and got his EK2 at the age of 16!

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BTW - not sure if this is already known - there is also a list of all EK 1813 winners in:

"Ordens-Liste von den Rittern und Besitzern der k?niglich-preu?ischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen", published from 1811-1817.

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Ah-- but weren't they still handing out those weird "wait for a holder to die before your turn for having one" into the 1840s?

Ah okay, I didn't know about that. The 1817 list gives the holders of all Prussian orders and decorations including the EK by then.

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I think you were listed as a holder, whether you physically "held" one or not. Supply and demand? Recall seeing the 1817 (I think) Prussian rank list that showed all officer awards.

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That's my understanding too-from the "Unterofficer" book I picked up many years ago I figured this was out there, otherwise how'd the author know exactly how many NCOs got the EK?

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Now that is interesting, thanks! Born in 1854, he was 17 at that time

Hi webr55,

this from the Offizier-Stammliste of the 3. GRzF.:

Regards

Glenn

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Any registries in this list for:

Premier-Lieutenant Ottomar von Koehne-Deminski, Pommersches Ulanen-Regiment No. 4;

Feldwebel Hermann Wilhelm Sigismund Albrecht, 3. Rheinisches Infanterie-Regiment No. 29;

Feld-Intendanten Paul August Oswald Scheurich, 3. Armee-Corps?

Thx

Red

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Hi webr55,

this from the Offizier-Stammliste of the 3. GRzF.:

Regards

Glenn

Thanks very much! :jumping::cheers::jumping: That's quite a lot of information I didn't have yet! :cheers:

Chris

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Any registries in this list for:

Premier-Lieutenant Ottomar von Koehne-Deminski, Pommersches Ulanen-Regiment No. 4;

Feldwebel Hermann Wilhelm Sigismund Albrecht, 3. Rheinisches Infanterie-Regiment No. 29;

Feld-Intendanten Paul August Oswald Scheurich, 3. Armee-Corps?

Thx

Red

Hi Red,

Regards

Glenn

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