pinpon590 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Hello !I have a new question :The Nimmergut OEK is talking about :2765 Goldene Verdienstmedaille mit Spange 19172766 Silberne Verdienstmedaille mit Spange 19172767 Silberne Annerkenungsmedaille mit Spange 19172768 Bronzene Annerkennungsmedaille mit Spange 1917I have never seen these orders ! I have search them on the net, but never found an illustration !Can someone post a photo of these medals ???Thank you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipnos Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Hello !I have a new question :The Nimmergut OEK is talking about :2765 Goldene Verdienstmedaille mit Spange 19172766 Silberne Verdienstmedaille mit Spange 19172767 Silberne Annerkenungsmedaille mit Spange 19172768 Bronzene Annerkennungsmedaille mit Spange 1917I have never seen these orders ! I have search them on the net, but never found an illustration !Can someone post a photo of these medals ???Thank you !I don?t understand Annerkennung...?, can you lecture me on this matterThanksMiguel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I don?t understand Annerkennung...?, can you lecture me on this matterThanksMiguelMiguel,The word Anerkennung means acknowledgment or recognition.I would like to see examples of these awards, too.David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 The Verdienst- and Anerkennungsmedaillen were civil decorations. I have never seen one with a "1917" clasp and I don't remember seeing a file on such awards in the Rudolstadt archives, but I might have missed it. The Sondershausen archives refer to awards of the Verdienst- and Anerkennungsmedaillen between 1912 and 1918, but don't refer to any clasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 According to K-G Klietmann's 1964 "Pour le Merite und Tapferkeitsmedaille," in the Sondershausen half of Schwarzburg,35 silver medals, and 58 bronze medals were awarded in total with the "1917" Spange in 1917 and 1918. Assuming roughly the same number handed out by the Rudolstadt half of Schwarzburg...THAT is why we never see these! I would venture that IF anybody had one of these medals, it would have been George Seymour or Eric Ludvigsen, so if somebody with the Thies auction catalogs of their collections could check, there may be one pictured there.Klietmann unexpectedly gave exact figures for the Recognition Medals for Sondershausen as--1914: 3 silver, 1 bronze1915: 4 silver, 5 bronze1916: 4 silver, 6 bronze1917 (includes BOTH "normal" awards and "mit Spangen," undifferentiated): 17 silver, 18 bronze1918 (includes BOTH "normal" awards and "mit Spangen," undifferentiated): 23 silver, 42 bronzeSo, in 1917 and 1918 COMBINED: 40 silver--of which 35 had Spangen and 5 must not have, and 60 bronze--of which 58 had Spangen and a mere 2 did not. I sure would like to see an award Urkunde for ONE of those TWO bronze "normal" medals from 1917/1918! That is one reason why collecting Imperial Germaan awards can be so incredibly satisfying. Sometimes the most ordinary looking things are so insanely rare, I have to laugh over the frenzied competition for mass-produced Third Reich stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted February 22, 2008 Author Share Posted February 22, 2008 (edited) Yes, I have found the same numbers...But, I have looked all Thies auction catalogs I've found on the web (15 or 20 catalogs), all websites speaking about orders and decorations, but I have never seen these medals...It is very frustrating !!! Edited February 22, 2008 by pinpon590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcross Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Nimmergut's OEK is meant to be used withhis massive 4 volume workand in vol 3 you will find black & white photosof the medals in questionbecause the book is in printI am reluctant to make or post scans of themand for anyone who is interested in imperial german medalsit is a set of books very much worth having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 Thank you for informations !I'll try to found these books.I have a new question and challenge about Schwarzburg :the "Anna-Luise Verdienstzeichen" (OEK 2834) : created on 1918, february 19th. Only 215 medals awarded (!)...I've seen a (bad) photo on thies catalog, but I can't read the exergue's text on obverse... (VERDIENST ... .......... ?) Can someone tell me ?And I have never seen the backside of this medal. Does someone possess this rare medal ?? Can you post a photo of the backside ? or describe it ?Thank you !Jean-Baptiste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitular Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Thank you for informations !I'll try to found these books.I have a new question and challenge about Schwarzburg :the "Anna-Luise Verdienstzeichen" (OEK 2834) : created on 1918, february 19th. Only 215 medals awarded (!)...I've seen a (bad) photo on thies catalog, but I can't read the exergue's text on obverse... (VERDIENST ... .......... ?) Can someone tell me ?And I have never seen the backside of this medal. Does someone possess this rare medal ?? Can you post a photo of the backside ? or describe it ?Thank you !Jean-BaptisteThe backside of this medal is blank. I have never seen an original piece, have only a fake in my collection. If you are interested, I can add a photo of this fake of course.Regards Kapitular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitular Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Hello !I have a new question :The Nimmergut OEK is talking about :2765 Goldene Verdienstmedaille mit Spange 19172766 Silberne Verdienstmedaille mit Spange 19172767 Silberne Annerkenungsmedaille mit Spange 19172768 Bronzene Annerkennungsmedaille mit Spange 1917I have never seen these orders ! I have search them on the net, but never found an illustration !Can someone post a photo of these medals ???Thank you !In my former collection of Imperial awards, I had only one silver and one bronce "Anerkennungsmedaille", both without the "Spange 1917". If you are interested, I can send a photo of these decorations.RegardsKapitular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Thank you Kapitular !I'm very interrested by photo's of the "Anna-Luise Ehrenzeichen" and of "Anerkennungsmedaille" (the silver and the bronze !).Because nobody seems have theses items, I think it will interrest a lot of persons here !Greetings !Jean-Baptiste(PS : Can you scan the two sides of each medals ? Thank you again !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitular Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Thank you Kapitular !I'm very interrested by photo's of the "Anna-Luise Ehrenzeichen" and of "Anerkennungsmedaille" (the silver and the bronze !).Because nobody seems have theses items, I think it will interrest a lot of persons here !Greetings !Jean-Baptiste(PS : Can you scan the two sides of each medals ? Thank you again !)OK, here are The photos. At first the "Anna-Luise-Verdienstzeichen". Please remember, it`s a modern fake!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitular Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 OK, here are The photos. At first the "Anna-Luise-Verdienstzeichen". Please remember, it`s a modern fake!!Now the silver "Anerkennungsmedaille". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitular Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Now the silver "Anerkennungsmedaille".And last not least, the bronze medal.Best regards, Kapitular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Thank you for these photos of rares items ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 (edited) Hello Everyone:I remembered that I had this document in my collection and thought that it might be of relative interest due to the topic at hand. All comments would be welcome.Best regards,"SPM"I know that Rick is cursing me! I am "scanner challenged" and am having trouble posting a readable image with the 110k limit, and yes, I know, I should have purchased an Epson! Sorry folks. Edited March 1, 2008 by Schie?platzmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 1 of 6 Well, I can tell enough to see it was a 1916 bronze for a Landsturm stay-at-home and remarkably, mind bogglingly RARE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kong Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 My bronze medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kong Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 and back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kong Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 and the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Hello Everyone:Rick, thank you for the comments regarding this document. It belonged to v. Braun in Alabama and I obtained it from the estate collection. I had NO idea how rare it is. What puzzles me is that it looks as though is says "unsere" Anerkennungs=Medaille, instead of stating the class of the medal. Which medal does this document correspond to exactly?Hopefully, this scan will be easier to see.Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 It does indeed say "unsere." Apparently only the recipient's rank would give a clue as to which one somebody got. I can't imagine a Landsturmmann got the higher class--award rolls would confirm that.Rejoice in your incomparable goodie! A lifetime could be spent seeking one and never finding it-- how many documents may actually still even EXIST.You may haveThe One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted March 16, 2008 Author Share Posted March 16, 2008 and the boxWonderfull one !Please, can you cofirm that the letter "G" (x2) on the back side means "Gunther" ?And, can somebody give me a description of the two sides of the merit medal ?Thank you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joemiller Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Just last week a small treasure from Schwarzburg appeared on Ebay. I was not fortunate enough to win it. This is a medal bar with a Schwarzburg Silver Merit Medal with the elusive 1917 bar. This was the best the picture would come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 I also saw that bar !!! it was a super bar and went for a super price if i remember right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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