Paul C Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 (edited) One of my purchases from my trip to Germany. I can ID some of the ribbons, but need help on the others. Thanks.1. Saxon w/ swords ?2. Saxon ?3. EK24. ?5. Red Eagle Order6. Hindenburg7. Kaiser Centential8. ?[attachmentid=13126] Edited October 13, 2005 by Paul Chepurko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Saxon Merit Order with Swords (probably 2. klasse)Saxon Honor Cross, or Saxon Long Service (tough call with this pix)1914 EK2Lippe Cross for War Merit with incorrect swords attached(Possibly a Lippe Order with swords on war ribbon??)Red Eagle (?) Possibly Hamburg Hanseatic?Honor Cross, no SwordsCentennial MedalLippe House Order, Peacetime/Statute ribbonCa. WW1 with the 2 Saxon awards taking precedence. So you have Saxon with a Lippe connection somewhere!Nice Bar!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Oh yeah.... can we see the back as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 Rick, Thanks for the help. The back is gray. I will post a picture later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensF. Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 I think the second one must be a Long Service Dec. from Sachsen and the other one is a Hamburg Hanseatic Cross. A Red Eagle would be in the wrong position as long as the peacetime Lippe order is at last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted October 14, 2005 Author Share Posted October 14, 2005 back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Is there no glow to thos threads Paul? Kinda sucks that we now have to deal with the inquisition on these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted October 14, 2005 Author Share Posted October 14, 2005 No Glow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 The thing I can't figure out is the stitching pattern. Looks like 2 different people stitched the top and bottom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted October 14, 2005 Author Share Posted October 14, 2005 I see what you mean. The only thing I can think of is the these were done by hand and that this pattern is just the preference of the person doing the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 It's probably OK. The ribbons are extremely minty fresh... just getting TWITCHY at all the new generation parts frauds out there. I've never seen that type hinge/pin attachment before. Bring it by the next time you're traveling North and I will do my personal voodoo type things upon it. Now, I think that IS a Red Eagle, which with the Lippe Order maybe be key to IDing this. Chances are that is an 1870 (with 1897) rather than a non-combatant Hindenburg Cross-- and what a Merit X and no Albert X suggests to me isClassic Beamtersince they generally did NOT receive an Albert first in the usual progression, but got a Merit Order first. BUT... question remains whether this is a SV3bX (or SV3aX) and there WAS nothing else on the medal bar-- in which case TWO non-Saxon peacetime Orders but no Saxon peacetime seems odd orrrrrrrrrr as was very frequently done by the cheapo Saxons, swords were "added" to the SAME CLASS, making a peacetime SV3a/b AND a wartime SV3a/b ONE award rather than two.I suspect that is what happened here, and this fellow simply got Xs added to his peacetime award.The Xs on the Lippe Detmold War Merit Cross are completely incorrect.Will see if I can find him from the "Xs added to" rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 I've been through the entire Saxon 1914 (which is actually December 1913, go figure) and still only came up with a perfect pre-WW1 match to ONE 1870 officer, who was dumped out in April 1914 at 65 and shows as neither any WW1 service at all nor Xs to his Saxon MMO. So no joy from the last awards shown peacetime Saxon Rank List, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 Thanks Rick, SO this bar is dead as far as tracing the Officer, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 I think there's a 1917/18 saxon Rangliste out there, but I don't remember what (if any) awards it would have listed. probably not anything war-time....... Funny too, it actually belonged to Immelmann's Commanding officer. There was only one and he had neatly signed the cover of the book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Gentlemen,Is it not possible that the last ribbon could be to a Lippe Detmold lifesaving medal, or even (a real stretch) a 1888-1905 series Lippe Detmold civil merit medal?Just wondering,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 The thing I can't figure out is the stitching pattern. Looks like 2 different people stitched the top and bottom!I believe the apparent difference in stitching is dues to the upper edge being loose when the other was stitched, so the lower edge was stitched from the back, er, front, er, ... you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I couldn't find any match with the peacetime Lippe for anything. Of course, as we see from the large but STILL incomplete number of awards to PRUSSIANS gazetted in the Milit?rwichenblatt for 1914 after the final peacetime Rank List came out in May, in the case of Saxony, there was no peacetime list showing awards after December 1913. The 1918 Saxon list is simply by seniority ofcommissions-- no awards at all.Lots and lots of gaps out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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