kapten_windu Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Kasunanan Palace badge Edited March 8, 2011 by kapten_windu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapten_windu Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Robyong PB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapten_windu Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Mangkunegaran Palace badge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapten_windu Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I found these on antique market yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kapten_windu Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Both are for 80th Javanese year Jubilee of Pakoe Boewono XII It's stated: Pakoe Boewono XII 80 -> his age in Javanese year 2002 -> year of that moment (in AD) 1855-1935 ->Javanese years from his born to that moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heusy68 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) Hello Gentlemen, I was recently in a small tour in Indonesia. I went to Surakarta where there is a small antique market (the Tri Windu).It's very near the Mangkunegaran Palace. I bought this Cross from the time of Pakubwono X. Usually this cross is found in dark light metal. This one had been gilded (I mean real gold gilded). Usually these crosses like most of the Surakarta awards is found in 3 size, but the larger one : 36 millimeters is hard to get. I will let our friend Windu explain much better than I could do what this award is,and translate. For those who will travel till there, there is Orders & Medals on display in the Mangkunegaran,from Netherlands of course, but also from Annam,Cambodia,China,Laos,Thailand. Emmanuel Edited April 20, 2012 by heusy68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heusy68 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Usually these crosses looks like this (dark light metal). Here is a small size cross. Emmanuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heusy68 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) In the Tri Windu Market I also get this medal from Pakubwono XII with reverse date 1876-1926. I guess it's not our calendar,as pakubwono XII passed away in 2004. Maybe,as there is a 50 on reverse it's a Golden Jubilee Medal (Pakubwono XII reigned 59 years from 1945 till 2004). The medal is made of silver and diameter is 30 millimeters. If our friend Windu can help us,he's most welcome. Emmanuel Edited April 20, 2012 by heusy68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heusy68 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 This is a photo of Pakubwono XII. What is the breast badge he's wearing ? In Jakarta Antique Market Street I found this breast badge that is unknown to me. Could it be the same ? Could our friend Windu explain what this breast badge is ? The inscription reads : ANGKATAN 45. Could it be a commemorative award for 45 years of Independence ? The badge is 43 millimeters and is made of light gilded metal. It's a breast badge from the Republic of Indonesia, but I have no data concerning it. I have included it in this topic, just because it seems Pakubwono XII is wearing it. Emmanuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heusy68 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Hello Gentlemen,here is a group of Surakarta ODM now for sale in Jakarta. The large size miss the Order of Loyalty, and on the small side there is the Gusti Raden Medal. Emmanuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Hello Gentlemen, here is a group of Surakarta ODM now for sale in Jakarta. The large size miss the Order of Loyalty, and on the small side there is the Gusti Raden Medal. Emmanuel Dear Emmanuel Many thanks for posting these. They are both very useful for confirming the order of precedence between the decorations. I do not know what has happened to my earlier post, but I had stated that the earlier decoration you posted was indeed the Golden Jubilee Medal of PB XII. The dates are according to the Javanese calendar. He acceded on 20th Jamadilakir 1876 JE (or 1st April 1945 AD) and celebrated his fiftieth anniversary on 20th Jamadilakir 1926 JE (or 5th December 1993 AD). PBXII received the following orders and decorations: - Bintang Satya Lencara Pahlawan Gerilya (28.10.1995) - Bintang Dharma Jaya - Bintang Satya Lencana Perang Kemerdekaan I - Bintang Satya Lencana Perang Kemerdekaan II - KGC of the Order of Orange-Nassau of the Netherlands (21.8.1995) - DK of Negri Sembilan (20.7.2001) Hope this helps. Cheers, James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapten_windu Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Hi, -that gold gilded loyalty cross from Kasunanan palace maybe for high class officer/priyayi/royal family. i don't have much information about this, there is also possibility that the recipient gilded it so it appears more "bling-bling".. Emmanuel, can you post larger observe picture of the cross so i can read the inscription clearly? -Some information regarding Angkatan 45 star: this star considered a commemoration of independence war 1945-1949, issued in late 90's, all living recipient of Bintang Gerilya can have this medal.. SISKS Pakubuwono XII also have this star as a supplement for his gerilya star.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapten_windu Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Hello Gentlemen, I was recently in a small tour in Indonesia. I went to Surakarta where there is a small antique market (the Tri Windu).It's very near the Mangkunegaran Palace. I bought this Cross from the time of Pakubwono X. Usually this cross is found in dark light metal. This one had been gilded (I mean real gold gilded). Usually these crosses like most of the Surakarta awards is found in 3 size, but the larger one : 36 millimeters is hard to get. I will let our friend Windu explain much better than I could do what this award is,and translate. For those who will travel till there, there is Orders & Medals on display in the Mangkunegaran,from Netherlands of course, but also from Annam,Cambodia,China,Laos,Thailand. Emmanuel I think it's not a loyalty cross, but a kind commemoration cross. The inscription says: Observe: Up: Karaton dalem Surakarta (:Surakarta Palace) Center: PBX (:Pakoe Boewono X) Below: 200 tahun (200years) Reverse: 17 Mukaram Je 1670-1870 (200 years of Surakarta Palace, in Javanese year) Edited April 26, 2012 by kapten_windu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heusy68 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Hello Gentlemen, some 3 days ago,someone send me that picture from Jakarta. But I don't know what it is. Clearly it's Surakarta Sultanate with Cypher of Pakubuono X. But I don't even have a clear idea how big this badge is ? If Windu,or anyone else can help,he's most welcome. Emmanuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Hello Gentlemen, some 3 days ago,someone send me that picture from Jakarta. But I don't know what it is. Clearly it's Surakarta Sultanate with Cypher of Pakubuono X. But I don't even have a clear idea how big this badge is ? If Windu,or anyone else can help,he's most welcome. Emmanuel Hello Emmanuel. Once again a very interesting posting from you. Purely my speculation but could this be the Bintang Sri Nugraha (The Star of Honour)? I have never seen the actual decoration myself or come across even an illustration. However, going by its history and the appearance of two pujung between the arms of the star, I suspect this may be it. Instituted by Susuhanan Prabhu Sri Paku Buwana X 16th September 1904 in substitution for the award of the Pujung Sri Nugraha (Umbrella of Honour) to two Dutch citizens on 8th April 1900 after the Dutch authorities objected to the “insult” of such an award to white Europeans. The decoration was conferred in five classes: - 1. First Class or Bintang Sri Nugraha Pangkat I, - 2. Second Class or Bintang Sri Nugraha Pangkat II, - 3. Third Class or Bintang Sri Nugraha Pangkat III, - 4. Fourth Class in bronze or Medali Sri Nugraha Pangkat IV, - 5. Fourth Class in copper or Medali Sri Nugraha Pangkat V. U sually reserved for kraton officials and state servants. According to the regulations of 8th August 1907, recipients of the first three classes were entitled to state umbrellas. My further guess would be that your example is either the first or second class. Cheers, James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapten_windu Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Well Emmanuel, James had a good point, however i spotted differences in the inscription, and that's make me confuse, see the pictures below: See the inscription: above: both are same: Pakubuwana the center: indicates the class (1st picture: 3rd class, 2nd picture:4th class) below: the mystery star stated: Sri-?-?-ya, and the other one stated clearly Sri Nugraha My opinion: It's possibly the Sri Nugraha Star but the maker is not good enough in the inscription process (the maker probably not from local here).. Windu Edited April 27, 2012 by kapten_windu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilja559 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Paku Buwana X Silver Jubilee Medal 1929 Class I (gold). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilja559 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Order of loyalty 5th class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 Great to see this thread come alive again! Thanks, Ilja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 SURAKARTA (also known as Solo), now known locally as Kesusuhunanan Surakarta, under H.M. Paku Buwono XIII, The Susuhunan of Surakarta, since 2004. H.M. has issued new Orders and Medals in 2004, since then thet have been awarded to officially recognized Sultans and Rajas, and Court Nobles ect. These Orders have adopted Malaysian names (instead of Javanese) and Post-Nominal Letters, they are as follows: Some of the Sashes are the same, they seem to have different Badges and Stars. Awards of Kesusuhunanan Surakarta Adiningrat - Surakarta Adiningrat Sultanate Darjah Kerabat Tertinggi Kanjeng Pangeran Haryo Adipati - D.K.T. The Most Supreme Royal Family Order of Prince Haryo - Exalted Class 1893 100mm Sash, blue, golden-yellow, blue 35/30/35mm Darjah Kerabat Sri Nugroho, Kelas 1 - D.K.S.N. The Royal Family Order Honour 1st class, 1904 re-organised 1945 100mm Sash, blue, golden-yellow, blue 35/30/35mm Darjah Kerabat Sri Kabado, Kelas 1 - D.K.S.K. The Royal Family Order of Sri Kabado 1st class 1945 100mm Sash, blue, golden-yellow, red, golden-yellow, blue 25/15/20/15/25mm Darjah Kerabat Kanjeng Pangeran Aryo Adipati - D.K. The Royal Family Order of Prince Aryo - Exalted Class 1893 100mm Sash, blue, golden-yellow, blue 35/30/35mm Darjah Kerabat Sri Nugroh, Kelas 2 - D.K.S.N. The Royal Family Order of Honour 2nd class 2004 100mm Sash, equal blue, golden-yellow, blue Darjah Kerabat Sri Kabado Kelas 2 - D.K.S.K. The Royal Family Order of Sri Kabado 2nd class 2004 100mm Sash, red, purple, yellow, purple, yellow, purple, red 23/7.5/19/1/19/7.5/23mm Darjah Seri Setia Kanjeng Haryo - S.K.P.H. The Distinguished Order of Prince Haryo for services to the Susuhunan 2004 100mm Sash, possibly red, yellow, red 20/60/20mm ? Darjah Seri Setia Kanjeng Pangeran Aryo - S.K.P.A. The Distinguished Order of Prince Aryo for meritorious service 1893, re-org. 2004 100mm Sash, yellow, red, blue, red, yellow 27/12/22/12/27mm Darjah Seri Kanjeng Raden Aryo Kelas 2 - S.K.R.A. The Distinguished Order of Raden Aryo 2nd class 1893, re-org. 2004 100mm Sash, golden-yellow, red, blue, red, golden-yellow 27/12/22/12/27mm Darjah Dato' Kanjeng Raden Aryo Tumenggung - D.R.A.T. The Distinguished Order of Raden Aryo Tumenggung for services to the Royal Palace 1893, re-org. 2004 100mm Sash, green, blue, golden-yellow, blue, green 25/12.5/25/12.5/25mm Darjah Dato' Kanjeng Raden Tumenggung - D.K.R.T. The Distinguished Order of Raden Tumenggung for volunteer services 1893 re-org. 2004 100mm Sash, red, blue, red, golden-yellow, red, blue, red 29/4/4/26/4/4/29mm Bintang Setia Mangku Paku Buwono XIII - S.M.P. Paku Buwono XIII Star (1st Class) 2004 details unknown Bintang Gagah Berani - B.G.B. Star for Bravery 2004 details unknown Bintang Taat Bakti - B.T.B. Faithful Duty Star 2004 details unknown Bintang Ahli Mangku Paku Buwono XIII - A.M.P. Paku Buwono XIII Star (2nd Class) 2004 details unknown Pingat Pekerti Terpilih - P.P.T. Distinguished Conduct Medal 2004 details unknown Pingat Khidmat Lama - P.K.L. Long Service Medal for 25 year's service 2004 details unknown Pingat Gagah Berani - P.G.B. Medal for Bravery & Courage 2004 details unknown Pingat Jasa Bakti - P.J.B. Courageous Service Medal 2004 details unknown Pingat Pertabahan Sri Susuhunan - P.P. H.M.'s Installation Medal 2004 details unknown Surat Kepujian / Penghargaan 2004 Certificate only - no ribbon Source, Surakarta website, www.rajasurakarta.com JDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 KESULTANAN NGAYOGYAKARTA ADININGRAT, in English = YOGYAKARTA SULTANATE (formerly under the Dutch as Djogdjakarta) A Sultanate since 13th Feb. 1755, it was never abolished by the Republic of Indonesia, in fact the late Sultan proclaimed the republic in 1945, after that he became Vice-President of the Republic, he died in 1988. Yogyakarta is now under H.M. Sultan Hamengku Buwono X, he succeeded in 1989. Local language = Javanese. Bintang Pusaka Kraton Yogyakarta, Founded between 1814 and 1823. The Royal Order of the Sacred Heirlooms of Yogyakarta Palace 1st Class A gold and enameled Breast-Star only worn by The Sultan, no known Sash. 2nd Class - details unknown 3rd Class - details unknown Source, Christopher J Buyers, "ROYAL ARK" website. JDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Other historical and current "Kesultanan, Kerajaan" (Sultanates and Kingdoms) in Indonesia. KESULTANAN PALEMBANG DARUSSALAM - PALEMBANG SULTANATE (S.E. Sumatra) Palembang was a Sultanate from 1454 until it was abolished in 1825 by the Dutch. It was restored on 4th March 2003 under H.M. Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III. On the 10th Anniv. of the reign, Orders and Medals were founded, again these were in the Malaysian style with Post-Nominal Letters. The senior class (Sash) also has a Breast-Medal (all have the same Ribbon, but with a different coloured Badge) Darjah Kerabat Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III Tertinggi - D.K.T. The Most Honourable Royal Family Order of Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III - Special Class 2013 100mm Sash, yellow, red, yellow, green, yellow, red, yellow 25.5/8/3/27/3/8/25.5mm 32mm Breast-Ribbon yellow, red, green, red, yellow, 8.5/5/5/5/8.5mm Kelas Pertama - D.K. 1st Class, the same Sash and B/R as above. Kelas Kedua - D.K.II. 2nd Class, the same Sash and B/R as above. Darjah Kerabat Silaturahmi Kesultanan Palembang Darussalam Yang Amat Dihormati - D.K.S.P. The Most Honourable Royal Family Order of Palembang Sultanate 2013 32mm Neck-Ribbon, as the 32mm B/R above Darjah Dato Pengiran Silaturahmi Kesultanan Palembang Darussalam Yang Dihormati - D.S.K.P. The Honourable Order of Palembang Sultanate 2013 32mm Neck-Ribbon as above Seri Setia Mangku Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III - S.S.M.S. The Devoted Order of Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III 1st Class, 2013 100mm Sash, green, yellow, green, red, green, yellow, green 25.5/8/3/27/3/8/25.5mm 32mm B/R as above. Darjah Seri Indera Mangku Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III - D.S.M.S. 2nd Class, 100mm Sash & 32mm B/R as above Darjah Indera Mangku Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III - D.I.M.S. 3rd Class, 100mm Sash & 32mm B/R as above Bintang Seri Mangku Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III - S.M.S. 4th Class (Star) 32mm Neck-Ribbon as above Pingat Ahli Mangku Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III - A.M.S. 5th Class (Medal), 32mm B/R as above Seri Setia Paduka Mahkota Palembang - S.P.M.P. The Faithful Order of the Crown of Palembang 1st Class 2013 100mm Sash, red, yellow, red, green, red, yellow, red, 25.5/8/3/27/3/8/25.5mm 32mm B/R as above Darjah Paduka Seri Mahkota Palembang - D.S.M.P. 2nd Class (different Sash) green, yellow, green, red, green, yellow, green 25.5/8/3/27/3/8/25.5mm 32mm B/R as above Darjah Paduka Mahkota Palembang - D.P.M.P. 3rd Class, 100mm Sash & 32mm Ribbon as S.P.M.P. above Bintang Seri Mahkota Palembang - S.M.P. 4th Class (Star), 32mm Neck-Ribbon as above Pingat Ahli Mahkota Palembang - A.M.P. 5th Class (Medal), 32mm B/R as above Jaksa Pendamai Kesultanan Palembang - J.P. Palembang Sultanate Justice of the Peace 2013 32mm Neck-Ribbon as above Seri Setia Pangeran Satria Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III - S.S.S.M. The Loyal Order of Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III for Military Service 2013 1st Class, 32mm B/R as above Darjah Pangeran Wiro Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III - D.P.W.M. 2nd Class, 32mm B/R as above Seri Pangeran Temenggong Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III - S.P.T.M. The Sultan Mahmud Badfaruddin III Order of Prince Temenggong 2013 1st Class, 32mm B/R as above Darjah Pangeran Temenggong Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin III - D.P.T.M. 2nd Class, 32mm B/R as above Seri Panglima DiRaja Negeri Palembang Darussalam - S.J.N. The Royal Order of Palembang State for Service 2013 32mm B/R as above Panglima Jasa Negeri Palembang Darussalam - P.J.N. 2nd Class, 32mm B/R as above Bintang Taat Setia - B.T.S. The Loyal Service Star 2013 32mm B/R as above Bintang Gagah Berani - B.G.B. The Bravery Star 2013 32mm B/R as above Bintang Setia Sultan Palembang - B.S.S. The Sultan of Palembang Star 2013 32mm B/R as above Pingat Pekerti Terpilih - P.P.T. The Distinguished Conduct Medal 2013 Pingat Lama Berkhidmat - P.L.B. The Medal for Respect 2013 32mm B/R as above Pingat Jasa Kemasyarakatan - P.J.K. The Long Service Medal 2013 32mm B/R as above Pingat Pertabalan Sltan Palembang - P.P.S. The Sultan of Palembang's Installation Medal 2003 / 2013 ? 32mm B/R as above Source, Palembang Royal Family website, www.sultanpalembang.com JDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 KESULTANAN PONTIANAK - PONTIANAK SULTANATE (W. Borneo) Pontianak existed from 1771 to 1950, when it was abolished under Sultan Syarif Abdul Hamid II Al-Kadiri, it was restored on 15th January, 2004 under H.M. Sultan Syarif Abubakar Al-Kadiri (born 1944). Pontianak had at least 2 Orders and a Medal ca. 1880. Bintang Mahkota Pontianak The Order of the Crown of Pontianak 1880 (Collar, Badge & Breast Star) 100mm Sash, yellow, red, yellow, red, yellow, red, yellow 4/4/4/76/4/4/4mm Bintang Kesultanan Pontianak The Order of the Star of Pontianak Sultanate 1880 (Collar, Badge & Breast Star) 100mm Sash, plain black Medali Pontianak Pontianak Medal ca. 1880 32mm B/R 3 equal bands of yellow, red & green. KESULTANAN SAMBAS - SAMBAS SULTANATE (N-W. Borneo) Sambas existed from 1630 to 1960 when it was abolished under Sultan Muhammad Taufik, it was restored on 15th July 2001 under H.R.H. Pangeran Ratu, Winata Kusuma 2001-2008, he was succeeded by his son H.R.H. Pangeran Ratu, Muhammad Tarhan, 2008- Bintang Kesultanan Sambas founded before 1900 The Order of Sambas Sultanate 100mm Sash, plain yellow KESULTANAN SAMBALIUNG - SAMBALIUNG SULTANATE (N-E. Borneo) When Berau Sultanate split into two, (the other being Gunung Tabur), Sambaliung existed from 1849 to 1960 when it was abolished, it was restored on the 19th October, 2009, under H.R.H. Datu, Fakhruddin (born 1943) Bintang Sambaliung The Order of Sambaliung dating from before 1900 50mm Neck-Ribbon, 13 equal alternating stripes of golden-yellow and black 32mm B/R, as above. KESULTANAN SIAK SRI INDRAPURA - SIAK SRI INDRAPURA SULTANATE (S-E. Sumatra) Existed from 1723 to 1946, when Sultan Syarif Hamed II, abdicated (died 1968), restored 1st December 2012 under H.M. Sultan Mahmud Syah. Bintang Kesultanan Siak Sri Indrapura The Order of Siak Sri Indrapura dating from before 1890's 50mm Neck-Ribbon, yellow, red, yellow, red, yellow, 4/4/34/4/4mm KESULTANAN LANGKAT - LANGKAT SULTANATE (N-E. Sumatra) Became a Sultanate in 1887, abolished when Sultan Mahmud Abdul Jalil Rahmat Syah died in 1948, restored 21 May 2003 under H.M. Sultan Azwar Abdul Jalil Rahmat Syah (born 1951). Bintang Kesultanan Langkat The Order of Langkat Sultanate founded before 1900 100mm Sash, white, yellow, white, red, white, yellow, white 5/8/5/64/5/8/5mm 50 Neck-Ribbon, colours as above, 2.5/4/2.5/32/2.5/4/2.5mm NOW THREE CURRENT SASHES KESULTANAN JAMBI - JAMBI SULTANATE (S-E. Sumatra) Jambi existed since 1696, from 1858 to 1904 Sultan Taha fought the Dutch in exile, it was abolished in 1906, restored 18th March, 2012, under H.M. Sultan Abdurrahman Taha Syaifuddin Syah Darjah Sultan Taha Saifuddin Jambi ? The Order of Sultan Taha Saifuddin of Jambi 100mm Sash, green, yellow, green, yellow, green 1/10/78/10/1mm KERAJAAN MATAN - MATAN KINGDOM (W. Borneo) Existed 1837-1948, when it was abolished, restored under a Regency Council in 2009. Darjah Matan ? The Order of Matan ? 2010 100mm Sash, red, yellow, dark-blue, yellow, red 5/30/30/30/5mm KESULTANAN SIMPANG - SIMPANG SULTANATE (W. Borneo) Restored on 31 May 2010 under H.M. Sultan Muhammad Jamaluddin II. Darjah Simpang ? The Order of Simpang 2010 100mm Sash, blue, yellow, red, yellow, blue, 12/32/12/32/12mm JDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Thank you JDM for these very interesting posts on the Indonesian Sultanates. However, do you have any actual contemporary references or sources for them? The more recent crop of Surakarta orders, as you know, are the result of a Malaysian money making exercise. Scanty information on old orders was loosely grafted on to modern creations of a very Malaysian style, titles, etc. Often with little or no relation to the real decorations. Recipients purchase their decorations for a fee, though somehow the former prince was induced to preside over the investitures. Probably also for a fee to lend some loose credibility to a dirty business. I fear that these decorations for Pontianak, Sambas, etc, may be of the same calibre. Cheers, James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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