Momčilo Đujić Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 On 27/12/2014 at 23:04, paja said: Some Kingdom of Yugoslavia embroidered braid badges for officer's caps/shajkache, introduced by the 1939 regulation, which replaced older enameled monogram badges. They where used by many Chetniks during the duration of the second world war, including General Draža Mihailović. Red versions (infantry). Some examples shown on caps and shajkache. Different colours for different units, Red - Infantry Black - Artillery Blue - Cavalry Violet (Purple) - Engineers Brown - Medical Green - Supply Cream - Chaplain Some examples of variations that have sold on Emedals over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momčilo Đujić Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Major Milan Cvjetičanin's (1915-1963) original embroidered braid badges from the war. Embroidered braid badges were also used for the navy, air force and firemen, and they would be used as makeshift Chetnik badges during the war. Navy Air force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momčilo Đujić Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 An infantry (red) embroidered braid badge for NCO's ( Non-commissioned officers), caps/shajkache, very rare and this is the only one I have every seen. Not sure what the sticker on the back is for, maybe someone could shed some light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momčilo Đujić Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) The Ravnogorski Znak (Ravna Gora Badge) was made in Eboli, Italy of an aluminum alloy and was awarded to members of the Yugoslav Army in the Homeland (JVuO), starting at the end of 1945 until the end of 1946. A smaller version was also made and had a pin attached to the back (theses were not numbered on the back). These full-size badges were given to JVuO members who were then in Allied camps in Italy (Eboli) and Germany (Munster), but not to civilians. The triangular design, with an upright sword through the center, a human skull just above the hand guard, and palm and olive branches crossed over the handle, are similar in both sizes. At the bottom of both large and small badges is stamped “РАВНА ГОРА” (“Ravna Gora”). The Serbian Cyrillic letters “ДМ” (“DM”), which stand for the name of Draža Mihailović, are also incorporated into the design of the badge. The badge was also made in Latin script (PII) for members of the Royal Yugoslav Armed Forces of non Serbian origin and also for some Bosnian Chetniks. The image of the Ravnogorski Znak is now used as a symbol for the Veterans Association of the Royal Yugoslav Army. This larger badge, which measures 1-7/16" (37 mm) wide by 2" (50 mm) high, sometimes had the Roman numeral “II” stamped on the blade of the sword for King Peter II Karađorđević (“П”, the Serbian Cyrillic letter for “P”, also appears under the crown), and on the reverse there is always a unique number-of-record stamped into the bottom, under the safety pin. Each badge weighs between 4.10 and 4.25 grams. There are many different versions and variations of this badge. These are some of the ones that have shown up over time. Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 003728), sold on Emedals for $715 USD. https://www.emedals.com/a-rare-second-war-serbian-chetnik-badge Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 003601), from the Georgetown, D.C. estate of a gentleman who was a Lieutenant Colonel who served under Draža Mihailović and was in the Eboli camp after the war. The man who discovered all of these badges from an estate sale, Stephen L. Stewart (more commonly know by his eBay name, stewartsl) sold the badges one by one on eBay. The one shown in the pictures with number 003601 sold almost six years ago and achieved the record sale of $1,494 USD. The other badge numbers he has sold are 003620, 003621 (which was only sold two months ago for $550 USD and is the best condition one that he has sold), 004111, 004114, 004118 and 004119. To this day he only has one more left and has stated that he wants to keep it. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Genuine-uncirculated-Serbian-Chetnik-Ravna-Gora-badge-/123252121058?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=gQVK6K7vmiDp0pKK2CYMAAqRqjY%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 005759), sold on Flying Tiger Antiques. https://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/very-rare-wwii-serbian-chetnik-guerillapartisan-badge-numbered-on-reverse.html Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 001954), sold on Regimental Badges. https://www.regimentalbadges.com/en-GB/others/ww2-serbian-chetnik-ravna-gora-badge-/prod_10713#.W54q3fYRVPY Edited September 16, 2018 by Momčilo Đujić Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momčilo Đujić Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 005810), on German War Booty Archive. http://www.germanwarbooty.com/item-medals01/medals m5410.htm Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number 002343), sold on The Saleroom. https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/andrew-smith-and-son/catalogue-id-srandr10029/lot-cf20987e-ee26-4211-b656-a45a01222ceb Standard Cyrillic “П” variation (number unknown), belonging to Major Milan Cvjetičanin (1915-1963). The photo in Eboli camp shows, from left to right: Milivoje Vuksanovich, Jovo Keca, Tadija Metlicich, Stevo Radjenovich, Zika Mladenovich, Milan Cvjetičanin (right in front, shown whearing his Ravnogorski Znak on his left breast pocket), Bogdan Drobac. https://www.pogledi.rs/en/major-milan-cvjeticanin/ Edited September 16, 2018 by Momčilo Đujić Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valjevo Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 22/02/2012 at 04:19, Lightfoot said: The insignia PII is impossible to have on a Kingdom of Serbia cockade. There´s a lot of "homemixed" cockades. It´s like with the opposite, the PI insignia on a Kingdom of Yugoslavia cockade. The parts are all original but not right put together with the time periods . Hi Gents, It looks that was made from original parts. Peter II could not go on Kingdom Serbia kokarda. The Peter II was taken from Varazdin type of Kingdom Yugoslavia kokarda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momčilo Đujić Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Hey Valjevo, it's most likely just a wartime customization of the badge as some Chetniks didn't believe in the 'Kingdom of Yugoslavia' ideology but rather just as Orthodox Serbs. This is the best reason I can give for the King Peter Karađorđević 2 kokarda having Serbian flag colours instead of Yugoslav flag colours. This is also easy to do as the monarch initials are just attached by tabs which hold them in place, therefor they can be easily be manipulated and removed form the kokarda. This is why you sometimes see these kokarde in good condition (not damaged), but missing the initial for the monarch. King Peter Karađorđević 1 of Serbia (1903-1921) King Peter Karađorđević 2 of Yugoslavia (1934-1941) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky222 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I’d like to know if my badge is authentic? If so, why is it different from other badges? Here are the photos of the back and front. https://m.imgur.com/a/WuhnlRm Linked the image because I wasnt able to post the images here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momčilo Đujić Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 I'm not 100% sure if it is authentic or not, because allot of these 'war casting' kokarde and badges have been popping up recently, and its very suspicious because its not that hard to fake. Here are some similar examples, of which I am also unsure of their authenticity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vladan Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 22/06/2019 at 23:36, Rocky222 said: I’d like to know if my badge is authentic? If so, why is it different from other badges? Here are the photos of the back and front. https://m.imgur.com/a/WuhnlRm Linked the image because I wasnt able to post the images here. Hi there, That's a million dollar question, and the short answer is; depending where you got it. To me it looks like it was made do deceive a potential collector but that's just my opinion. We know that there are hundreds of fakes in all different variations and the experts on this subject are tight lipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 The badge in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I have this one, "text book" example and I'm not sure of anything about it except it came from a reputable source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vladan Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 25/12/2014 at 10:17, Emanuel said: For the Serbian "Ljotic" Saint George badge, there are two variations. One is with Pin and catch and numbers location on the left middle side ( like with the badges on the photos from the previous page) and the other variation is with Nuts, two of them, Up and down of the badge. Now about the numbering, seems the series made with pin and catch was larger in number and they have indeed zero in front, I have seen original with 0****** The ones with nuts attaching device, are with low numbers ( three mostly ) and no zero in front and you can find them on the right side of the upper Nut. The two badges that Paja brought pictures are indeed copies, the numbers are similar like those, but they didn't do so good job ( The original pieces have "jumby" numbers- by that I mean not always in a straight line - and these numbers are not the same visually as the original ones). I am sorry that I do not have pictures to provide, I do not posses a Ljotic Saint George badge..... Hi Emanuel, Can you tell me what you think about this one? I'm hoping it's real. Other comments are more than welcome Here's one not exactly a ck badge but at least it's REAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momčilo Đujić Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Hard to say, the detail/patina is good on the front of the badge and the back looks about right. The only thing is the serial number, it's faint and not as strong as it should be. No concerns with the bolts on the back, as there were variations made with a nut and bolt attachment. In my opinion it's most likely an original piece, with the nuts missing from the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladan Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I haven't seen this badge before, but i have been told they exit ! Any idea who and when the II was stamped on the front ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momčilo Đujić Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 The "II" was stamped after they were made in Eboli, Italy (1945 - 47), this was done by members of the post war Chetnik Association of Royal Yugoslav Combatants 'Draza Mihailovich" (Udruzenje Boraca Kraljevinske Jugoslovenske Vojeske 'Draza Mihailovic'). The "II" can be seen at the bottom of the Cyrillic "П" in their symbol of the Ravnogorski Znak (Ravna Gora Badge), which they adopted in emigration, with the addition of a wreath. This "II" stamped Cyrillic variation of the badge is usually seen with a high serial number on the revers of the badge, and is more uncommon than the normal Cyrillic Ravnogorski Znak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlange Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Hi. Can anyone give me a some opinions about these badge? Thank you in advance Schlange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makivija Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I am a new member. I come from Slovenia and I am a passionate collector of cockades ww2 and ww1 Borislav Makivija can anyone tell me more about this cockade Predogled priloge IMG-d0f36331ce20fc3ebc84193295f0937b-V.jpg Predogled priloge 20210123_154214.jpgPredogled priloge 20210123_154252.jpg 20210123_154252.jpg 2.4 MB 20210123_154214.jpg 2.8 MB Predogled priloge IMG-08a295a014c816533bb29163d312c7e6-V.jpg IMG-08a295a014c816533bb29163d312c7e6-V.jpg 244 KB IMG-d0f36331ce20fc3ebc84193295f0937b-V.jpg 197 KB Predogled priloge 20190617_165627.jpg Predogled priloge 20190617_170008.jpg Predogled priloge 20190617_200955.jpg 20190617_200955.jpg 2.5 MB 20190617_170008.jpg 2.3 MB 20190617_165627.jpg 2.1 MBwhether it is a cockade of assault units or artillery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makivija Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Thenk you very much for any help. Makivia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momčilo Đujić Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I can't see any pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makivija Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Momčilo Excuse me im first in forum (on this page )is better now the pictures are up. I apologize for my poor English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momčilo Đujić Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 The first badge, is a complete example of a Model 1939 black (artillery) Officers badge of the Royal Yugoslav Army with the cypher of King Peter II. The second badge, is an incomplete example of a Model 1939 (unknown field) Officers badge of the Royal Yugoslav Army with the cypher of King Peter II missing from the center Coat of Arms. This is only a part of the badge as the metal and material backing, golden wreath and the King Peter II cypher, are all missing. Both of the badges are 100% original examples and were worn by Serbian Chetniks under the comand of General Dragoljub "Draza" Mihailovic during the Second World War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makivija Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Momcilo thanks for the info. i have a few more cockades in my collection i can present them on the forum. any comment is welcome and I will be happy to read it.l.p Makivija Predogled priloge 20200729_131451.jpg 20200729_131451.jpg 3.9 MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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