Chris Liontas Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 The Uhlans had one of the nicest uniforms in the per/post Dunkleblau era. Anyone have any tunics to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwmosher Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 ChrisI'll start you out with this one: Officer's M-1910 ulanka for Ulanen-Regt. Konig Karl (1. Wurttemberg) Nr. 19. Aside from the three Prussian guard ulan regiments, UR 19 was the only other ulan regiment allowed litzen on their feldgrau uniforms.RegardsDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwmosher Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Officer's ulanka, tschapka and schirmmutze for Ulanen-Regt. Hennigs von Treffenfeld Nr. 16. The two piping colors (light blue and white) are unique to UR12 and UR16 vs. the single piping color on the remainder of the uhlan regiments.D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian J Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Officer's ulanka, tschapka and schirmmutze for Ulanen-Regt. Hennigs von Treffenfeld Nr. 16. The two piping colors (light blue and white) are unique to UR12 and UR16 vs. the single piping color on the remainder of the uhlan regiments.Beautiful tunics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 Officer's ulanka, tschapka and schirmmutze for Ulanen-Regt. Hennigs von Treffenfeld Nr. 16. The two piping colors (light blue and white) are unique to UR12 and UR16 vs. the single piping color on the remainder of the uhlan regiments.DWOW!! That is absolutely gorgeous!!! Now judgeing from the medals, was this an observer in a Flying Corps Squadron? Dave now the Tschapka, what kind of date would you put that in? Does it have the wooden motor-board rather than a metal one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwmosher Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Thank you both for your comments.Chris:When I bought the tunic, the boards were missing and the buttons were steel, painted browish-green, so the wearer could have been from either UR12 or UR16. The only thing I had to go from was the placement of the breast awards, the Turkish half moon (which is a screw-back and was on the tunic) and the HHOX on the ribbon. Well, based on a leap of faith that the tunic has not been "altered" in the past 87 years (with the exception of the removal of the boards), and that there was only one HHOX awardee in either UR 12 or UR 16, here is what I have found on that one awardee, Lt. Hans Heinrich Deetjen. -Hans Deetjen is born in Allenstein (E. Prussia) on 8/19/94 -Recieved his patent as a leutnant to UR 16 on 10/29/14 -Posted to FEA 1 and 2. FFA (Boyen) late 1914 to eary 1915. These units were combined to become FFA 58 on 4/1/15. -Qualified as an Beobachter (observer) most likely in early 1915. -FFA 58 sent to Poland/Russia 5/15/15 as part of 8. Armee, most likely in the Baltic area. -FFA 58 and FAA 284 are combined on 11/29/16 and was transferred from Russia to France on 12/9/16. -FFA 58/FAA 284 posted to Armee-Abteilung B. on 12/16/17 near Colmar, France -FFA 58/FAA 284 posted to AA B Fliegergruppe Sud on 4/1/17. -Mentioned in the Nachrichtenblatt in 6/15/17 -Recieved the HHOX in summer 1917 as an observer w/ FAA 284. -Schutzstaffel (Schusta) 9 is created on 1/1/17 and I assume the Deetjen is posted to this unit. -Schusta 9 becomes Schlactstaffel (Schlasta) 9 on 3/27/18 and Lt. Hans Deetjen is named leader of the unit -Lt. Hans Deetjen is killed in action on 3/28/18 at Pont de la Deule, France. Now, for the lingering questions: How would Deetjen recieve the Gallipoli star? His service appears to have been in Poland, the Baltic area of Russia, and France. Having said that, neither UR 12 or UR 16 served near Turkey. Also, There are loops for a third award, next to the EK1 and observers badge, possibly a turkish pilot's badge???? ( I have seen an observerer with this badge in a photo before). The other badges and the slip-on aviator boards on the tunic were added, but all fit the loops on the tunic. The schirmmutze for either of these two units is quite scarce. Notice that the white piping was not utilized on the bottom of the cap band. Although I purchased the cap and boards separately, the boards are the proper M-1915 double piping for this unit and have flieger props with no extra holes and the feldgrau on the cap is a dead ringer for the cloth on the ulanka, so who knows...Interestly, there was an Oblt. Henning v. dem Knesebeck with UR 16 was also posted to FAA 284 and served with Deetjen, but he didn't recieve the HHOX and was killed on 8/22/17. I found a web site, www.buddecke.de that have several pictures of Deetjen in a photo album from Fliegerabteilung Artillerie 284, which may be of interest.To answer your question about the officer's tschapka, the body is all in leather (including the motar board) and has the national cockade, indicating that the helmet was used post-1897. Although I have seen some metal erzatz motarboards, I have never seen one in wood.RegardsDave Edited January 12, 2009 by dwmosher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Thank you both for your comments.Chris:When I bought the tunic, the boards were missing and the buttons were steel, painted browish-green, so the wearer could have been from either UR12 or UR16. The only thing I had to go from was the placement of the breast awards, the Turkish half moon (which is a screw-back and was on the tunic) and the HHOX on the ribbon. Well, based on a leap of faith that the tunic has not been "altered" in the past 87 years (with the exception of the removal of the boards), and that there was only one HHOX awardee in either UR 12 or UR 16, here is what I have found on that one awardee, Lt. Hans Heinrich Deetjen. -Hans Deetjen is born in Allenstein (E. Prussia) on 8/19/94 -Recieved his patent as a leutnant to UR 16 on 10/29/14 -Posted to FEA 1 and 2. FFA (Boyen) late 1914 to eary 1915. These units were combined to become FFA 58 on 4/1/15. -Qualified as an Beobachter (observer) most likely in early 1915. -FFA 58 sent to Poland/Russia 5/15/15 as part of 8. Armee, most likely in the Baltic area. -FFA 58 and FAA 284 are combined on 11/29/16 and was transferred from Russia to France on 12/9/16. -FFA 58/FAA 284 posted to Armee-Abteilung B. on 12/16/17 near Colmar, France -FFA 58/FAA 284 posted to AA B Fliegergruppe Sud on 4/1/17. -Mentioned in the Nachrichtenblatt in 6/15/17 -Recieved the HHOX in summer 1917 as an observer w/ FAA 284. -Schutzstaffel (Schusta) 9 is created on 1/1/17 and I assume the Deetjen is posted to this unit. -Schusta 9 becomes Schlactstaffel (Schlasta) 9 on 3/27/18 and Lt. Hans Deetjen is named leader of the unit -Lt. Hans Deetjen is killed in action on 3/28/18 at Pont de la Deule, France. Now, for the lingering questions: How would Deetjen recieve the Gallipoli star? His service appears to have been in Poland, the Baltic area of Russia, and France. Having said that, neither UR 12 or UR 16 served near Turkey. Also, There are loops for a third award, next to the EK1 and observers badge, possibly a turkish pilot's badge???? ( I have seen an observerer with this badge in a photo before). The other badges and the slip-on aviator boards on the tunic were added, but all fit the loops on the tunic. The schirmmutze for either of these two units is quite scarce. Notice that the white piping was not utilized on the bottom of the cap band. Although I purchased the cap and boards separately, the boards are the proper M-1915 double piping for this unit and have flieger props with no extra holes and the feldgrau on the cap is a dead ringer for the cloth on the ulanka, so who knows...Interestly, there was an Oblt. Henning v. dem Knesebeck with UR 16 was also posted to FAA 284 and served with Deetjen, but he didn't recieve the HHOX and was killed on 8/22/17. I found a web site, www.buddecke.de that have several pictures of Deetjen in a photo album from Fliegerabteilung Artillerie 284, which may be of interest.To answer your question about the officer's tschapka, the body is all in leather (including the motar board) and has the national cockade, indicating that the helmet was used post-1897. Although I have seen some metal erzatz motarboards, I have never seen one in wood.RegardsDaveMy one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Hi ! Not a real uniform but at least a Uhlan ! Could anyone name the Rgt? I was guessing on Uhlan Rgt 20 but not sure Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 My oneAmazing!! And with the Rabatte too! I tried to get one of those loose at a German dealer to complete my Tschapka, but alas I was too late. Talk about a rare item to have with your helmet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 My quick displayBetter photos coming soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Ok this is a terrible photo-- and I know I am mixing eras...but the manequin has a built in headrest for the Tschapka. The helm is complete with oringal horsehair plume and cord (now if I could only find the rabatte) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Named Helm to Hannoverian Rittermiester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Officer's ulanka, tschapka and schirmmutze for Ulanen-Regt. Hennigs von Treffenfeld Nr. 16. The two piping colors (light blue and white) are unique to UR12 and UR16 vs. the single piping color on the remainder of the uhlan regiments.DDave could we get a close up shot of the Tschapka's motorboard? I have on in metal, and one in leather (dunno why I said wood--was I thinking Austrian pre 1870?) Really interested in the differences between the manufacturing styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buellmeister Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 (edited) My one and only just purchased today. Even the Salty ones need love too! If there is any history/information anyone can provide me, the floor is yours.Regards,Joel Edited March 1, 2009 by buellmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buellmeister Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Gentlemen, From what I can gather, this Uhlan Tunic and Mutze represents the 2nd Hannoversches Dragoner Regiment Nr. 16. Please assist if further info is available. Regards,Joel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) Gentlemen, From what I can gather, this Uhlan Tunic and Mutze represents the 2nd Hannoversches Dragoner Regiment Nr. 16. Please assist if further info is available. Regards,JoelIt is not an Ulan tunic (Ulanka) It appears to be a Litewka or more likely a Dragoner ?berrock (cant see how long it is). Edited March 2, 2009 by Naxos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Have a look here: http://www.kaisersbunker.com/dunkelblau/tunics/dbt08.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buellmeister Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Naxos, That is indeed the same garment! Unfortunately, it's missing the shoulderboards and mine has a few month nips. I assume the Officer's grade Uberrock is more sought after? Sorry for misposting this as an Uhlan Tunic guys! It is my first venture into buying Imperial cloth.Regards,Joel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Hello!Here is my favourite Uhlan-photo. It shows a Vize-Feldwebel. Ul-Rgt. 5 (D?sseldorf) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dwyer Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Fantastic! Love that mustache!!! :rock on: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Yes, but I am mor impressed by the 6th grade of the "Fechtabzeichen" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Sory, I was wrong. It?s the 3rd grade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Naxos, That is indeed the same garment! Unfortunately, it's missing the shoulderboards and mine has a few month nips. I assume the Officer's grade Uberrock is more sought after? Sorry for misposting this as an Uhlan Tunic guys! It is my first venture into buying Imperial cloth.Regards,JoelHi Joel! Dragoons is awesome in itself. Thank you for posting this! I am just now researching the uniforms of the dragoons -- awesome post thank you! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Liontas Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Sory, I was wrong. It?s the 3rd grade...VERY nice, thank you for posting this. The details of the uniform, especially the cuffs are outstanding. I agree, the 3rd grade is great to see :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Thank you Chris!Here are two more Uhlans. The first is an: Unteroffizier 1.Garde-Ulanen-Regiment (Potsdam) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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