Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 How about some nice Veteran's pieces? The variety was almost infinite and lots of really, really neat stuff. I invite all to add theirs to the thread!!Here's a Kyfhauserbund Medal with 2 "battle bars"..... we could almost do an entire thread on nothing but this one style of veteran's piece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 A little closer on the bars: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Ehrenlegion doc & medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 And the medal close up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 A flanders cross with a Somme barcheers Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 and one I got from Stogie a while backcheers Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 Nice guys..... here's the same Hannover piece, mint in the packet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Schena Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Hi all:How's this one for y'all - a Champagne Cross...Cheers,Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 eric-this - and the verdun, somme, etc isperhaps my favorite vet medal.simple, colorful and adding character anddepth to any medal bar.nice.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 Hi Eric, I agree with Joe... the entire series of these enameled crosses is amongst the best of the vet pieces. Very interesting with the "Treue dem Regiment bar attached!! Have you ever checked to see if that regiment actually participated at the Champagne battles? Try a new thread in "history"... I'd be curious to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 my two cents worth:middle medallion has printed on the back"Der Bund Deutsche Marine Vereine".backing is black but a smidge moth-eaten.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 BTW....does anyone else think that the stogmeister is doing an aces-up job with this moderating deal??you da' MAN, rick, and a beast at that!roscoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian L Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 nice medalbar joe, but i would tend to say, that the last medal (most probably treue in der arbeit from saxon, model from friedrich august) is wrong.from the ribbon its more likly the treu dem regiment cross (have a close look at the upper part of the ribbon if there are holes in it for the unit clasp - if not, i was worn without)but anyway christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 the second medal is on the wrong ribbon, too - this one is the ribbon for the Kyffh?user medal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 hey Joe (thanks) (blush)...... Heiko is correct. Neither medals are correct, but both still nice in their own right. If it's a clip-in bar you get to look for the missing ones now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 (edited) oh-KAY....the sachsen medal is just plain wrong....what should/would/could be in the thirdspot with that ribbon???the second spot i'm thinking is not allthat wildly inappropriate. a marine veteranspiece on a veterans organization ribbon?why not??and WHY do people screw with these groupings?it ain't like there are FABULOUSLY rare pieces that are being plucked.....i have included the reverse, which indicatesto me that at least the ribbons haven't been played with...but then again, at this point i'm not even certain that the first position holds an EK 2....BTW, there is at least one hole in the third ribbon.t'anks, guys.joe Edited November 17, 2005 by joe campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 Hi Joe, The Saxon Labor Medal comes on a plain green ribbon. It's always possible that it was intentionally mounted like this. We certainly see no shortage of that type of "close enough" work. First thing I would do is gently pry apart the folds (blunt object, no knives!!) (whew!) and see if all 3 are stitched in place and all 3 stitchings (if there) match in thread/style. if not, then you can start thinking it's been played with. if they all match....... maybe/probably not.The Marine Vet Medal is pretty obscure and if memory serves, it actually came on a red/black/white "patriotic" style ribbon so I would have no problem accepting that he might very well have done this intentionally with the exact same reasoning you're having.I'm attaching a sample of the Labor Medal on the issue ribbon. I think an important thing to remember when someone comments on these is that often times, just saying "wrong ribbon/wrong medal" is not necessarily an indictment of the bar itself, just the quick observation that it's mismatched. Despite the rigidity of regulation, we certainly see no shortage of "Wrong and Right" at the same time bars. Especially during the roaring, "Anything Goes" 1920's which this bar would appear to absolutely be!!Here's the Saxon Labor Medal as issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 (edited) Oh yeah....... this Labor Medal is "Old King Albert", not WW1 King Friedrich August! These vain Saxons, re-tooling the medals to suit their faces!!!!!! Edited November 17, 2005 by stogieman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 yowsuh!!i will pick it apart - GENTLY!i'm still uncertain as to what would be the propermedal for that third ribbon.by the way, your commentary about the "daily life and times of an imperial medal bar"is most helpful. not to be found in what referencesare available, but invaluable to understand thesecustoms/poetic license/actualities.my thanks!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian L Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 like rick said - not a real problem about the 2nd medalbut the 3rd is definately the treue dem regiment cross - and for the hole in the ribbon - the unit claspadded a pic of the medal (various ribbons are used - here the same one like yours, and also MANY different unit claps exist)christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian L Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 and a cross mounted on a bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 Hi Joe, are there holes in the ribbon in last place where a bar might have been mounted??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 thanks, christian!!can i assume that my third place ribbon is similar to your second place ribbon?if so, then the veteran's organization cross with swords would seem a likelycandidate for my third place ribbon.rick-yes there looks to be at least one hole where an IR bar would be placed.maybe the cross and bar were liberated for someoneelse's bar.... your generous help is APPRECIATED! joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian L Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 hy joe,in my opinion this cross is the only possible candidate for your last ribbon.for the unit - not easy to answer question, because to my knowledge there is no one who id'd the system behind the ribbon color and clasp association.christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 Joe,Yes, the REK goes in that third spot. Stogie had a loose "Treu dem Regiment" example just a month or so ago. May still have it?If you are going to keep with the naval motif, you will have your work cut out for you in finding a navy related bar for that ribbon. Besides, I think the navy REK ribbon was all blue with no stripes. You might want to put the Kyffhauser medal on the second place, as that would allow you to use most any unit bar that you would come across. Also, the Marine REK is much tougher to find.Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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