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Brian Wolfe

Staffordshire Police - a history and items from my collection

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Today a friend of mine suggested that it may be a "horse brass" rather than a martingale badge.

I'm not sure of the proper term but a horse brass is fastened to the harness to decorate it for parades etc.

Regarding emigrants. I try not to get up set about them as eventually I'll look in a mirror and see yet another one and he looks just like me. :lol:

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Brian

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Brian - I have given the probable answer for that date - the alternative is it is a copy ? Horse brasses are decorative on civilian heavy horse

harness. They wouldn't use a Crowned badge as an ornament. If people think this is not right - then let them prove-it. Mervyn

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The last of the three is what I concider a gem in my collection. It is the Chief Officer's Hat Badge. Both the blue and the green areas are enamel and the badge is held on by two claws. Once inserted into the cap these are bent (not spread) as the claws are one piece, not two, like the Officer's pattern shown earlier.

Brian,

I've been looking back through your postings in respect of Staffordshire Police and came across this one which is not altogether accurate. What you have is not the Chief Constable's cap badge but a warrant badge which is issued to every officer in Staffordshire Police. The badge is affixed to the leather warrant card holder. The green & blue "enamelling" is in fact plastic. If you look at my attached photo you will see the warrant badge (which you have) on the right hand side. On the left hand side you will see the "ACPO" (Chief Officer) ranks cap badge. This is in sterling silver with hard fired enamelling and a felt backing to the Staffs. knott. This particular badge was given to me by a Staffordshire Police Assistant Chief Constable who I was fortunate to meet when on a course at the Staff College in 1989. This is the badge being worn by Chief Constable Kelly whose photo you append in another of your postings. I hope this clarifies things for you and others who may have mistaken the warrant badge for a senior officers' cap badge.

Dave.

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Thank you for the correction Dave, I have made the changes to the original post.

For those interested, what turned out to be a warrant card badge is quite flat, or thin, compaired with a standard cap badge.

So as well as the points Dave makes being thinner is another clue to the identification.

Dave, it looks as if there is little difference between the cap badge I posted in post #26, other than quality of material and the green backing, and the "ACPO" (Chief Officer). A collector looking for the higher rank cap badge should probably take these differences into consideration before handing over too much cash for what is being offered as a Chief Officer's cap badge.

As many of us know at times accurate information is just not available to us and we count of the membership to point out errors when they encounter them. This allows the forum to be a good source of information to other collectors and I really appreciate this input.

Thanks again Dave.

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Brian

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Brian,

The additional points which you mention are well made. The "Chief Officer" badges are easily identifiable in that they are usually marked "sterling" on the reverse or are actually hallmarked and because they are silver and prone to tarnishing they tend to appear "dull" when placed alongside a chrome plated (Inspectorate ranks) version. Such badges were commonly issued to ranks above Chief Inspector in many English & Welsh forces but the high cost has in most cases resulted in the expensive silver badges being replaced with the much cheaper silver plated or chrome plated versions of the same design. Alas, a sign of changing times!

Dave.

Edited by Dave Wilkinson

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Hello Brian,

Any additions to your Staffordshire collection?

Here is an interesting Staffordshire Police Training photograph with my late father who passed away a year ago today, almost to the hour. He is seen here in the middle row, the forth from the left and has the new open neck type tunic. (PC 80 Alan E Swain) I guessed this was pre 1965 due to the City of Peterborough cap badge he is wearing.

It would be very interesting to know if any of these lads & gals are still around, and to put names to faces.

Cheers!

Laurence (Swainys Boy)

http://alan.swain.me.uk/

Staffordshire Police Training.jpg

Staffordshire Police Training Reverse.jpg

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Another Staffordshire Police Training Photograph with Dad on the back row in the middle.

Interestingly most cap badges as well as being Staffordshire, have the Queens Crown but only three including Dads City of Peterborough cap badge, still have the old Kings Crown badges. Peterborough never had a Queens Crown cap badge.

This would date the photo to around and between 1952 to 1965 when Dads badge would have then been replaced with the Mid Anglia Constabulary badge.

Again... Names to faces anyone?

Staffordshire Police Training 2.jpg

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Hi Laurence,

Thanks for posting the photos; I too think they are quite interesting and having your father in the groups is a plus.  Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.  A friend from Australia and I spent some time looking at the photos and discussing them during a Skype visit and then I forgot to reply to your posts.  I would blame old age but that would make me "old" for the past 60 some odd years. LOL

Take care and may you and yours have a very merry Christmas

Regards

Brian

 

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