lilo Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hi Everyone,I look for your help to exactly establish, in regards of the Striped Tiger Order, which are the colours of the 3rd class ribbon ?I know that the central large stripe colour is : (+ or - dark) green;I have seen the two edge stripes in red, violet, and ligth red/rose colours.What I'm trying to establish is the correct colour of the 'two edge stripes'.Hoping that someone can give me the answerBest RegardsLilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hi Everyone,I look for your help to exactly establish, in regards of the Striped Tiger Order, which are the colours of the 3rd class ribbon ?I know that the central large stripe colour is : (+ or - dark) green;I have seen the two edge stripes in red, violet, and ligth red/rose colours.What I'm trying to establish is the correct colour of the 'two edge stripes'.Hoping that someone can give me the answerBest RegardsLilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hi Everyone,I look for your help to exactly establish, in regards of the Striped Tiger Order, which are the colours of the 3rd class ribbon ?I know that the central large stripe colour is : (+ or - dark) green;I have seen the two edge stripes in red, violet, and ligth red/rose colours.What I'm trying to establish is the correct colour of the 'two edge stripes'.Hoping that someone can give me the answerBest RegardsLilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hi Everyone,I look for your help to exactly establish, in regards of the Striped Tiger Order, which are the colours of the 3rd class ribbon ?I know that the central large stripe colour is : (+ or - dark) green;I have seen the two edge stripes in red, violet, and ligth red/rose colours.What I'm trying to establish is the correct colour of the 'two edge stripes'.Hoping that someone can give me the answerBest RegardsLilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Sorry for the muck ups couldn't seem to type a reply on your message. Red outer stripes with a very watery green centre, see ANS 3 where we had a virtual set of them. Also the third class badge is the only piece of insignia worn as a neckbadge, the Second is worn as a sash badge, while the fourth is worn as a breast badge.All the best,Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilo Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) Sorry for the muck ups couldn't seem to type a reply on your message. Red outer stripes with a very watery green centre, see ANS 3 where we had a virtual set of them. Also the third class badge is the only piece of insignia worn as a neckbadge, the Second is worn as a sash badge, while the fourth is worn as a breast badge.All the best,PaulHi Paul,Many thanks for your help. You say me to see 'ANS 3' but what is this ? Can you post a link please ?Many ThanksLilo Edited April 7, 2009 by lilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hi Paul,Many thanks for your help.You say me to see 'ANS 3' but what is this ? Can you post a link please ?Many ThanksLilowwwmortonandeden.com. and follow the links. 26 April 2007. The plates are seperate in J Peg form. I just tried accessing it without much difficulty.All the best,Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilo Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hi Paul,Again, many thanks.RegardsLilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hi Paul,Again, many thanks.RegardsLiloHope this helps.Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Thanks, Dick. What is the width of the ribbon? It looks exactly -- but EXACTLY -- like the ribbon for the Briish 2nd Afghan War medal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 The "Tigers" in the Mohler Collection at Stanford have the following ribbon/sash colors:First Class Grand Cordon: Sash is Cream or light beige with turquoise edge stripes.Second Class sash is gold/yellow with turquoise edge stripes.Third Class is Dark green with purple edge stripes.Fourth Class is 38mm dark green with 7mm red edge stripesFifth Class is 38mm dark green with 7mm red edge stripesSixth Class is 38mm Deep blue with two white stripesSeventh Class is 38mm Deep blue with two white stripesEighth Class is 38mm Deep Blue with two white stripesNinth Class is Dark green with 7mm red edge stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hi Ed:It appears to be ~40mm wide.This is one of my favorite Orders.Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilo Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Hi Ed:It appears to be ~40mm wide.This is one of my favorite Orders.DickHi Dick,Thank you for your posting but we returned to the starting point : what are the exact colours for the 3rd class ribbon of the Striped Tiger Order ??As always stated the central colour seems to be the green (watered or darker) but what is the correct colour for the edge stripes : the 'red' or the 'purple' ??RegardsLilo Edited April 8, 2009 by lilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Hi Dick,Thank you for your posting but we returned to the starting point : what are the exact colours for the 3rd class ribbon of the Striped Tiger Order ??As always stated the central colour seems to be the green (watered or darker) but what is the correct colour for the edge stripes : the 'red' or the 'purple' ??Red, the examples of the ANS were acquired fairly contemporarily to their issue.PaulRegardsLilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 As the image indicates Dark Purple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilo Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Hi Paul / Richard,Many thanks both for your answers but we are always to the starting point : red or dark purple ?RegardsLilo Edited April 8, 2009 by lilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Unless someone has (and can read) the original regulations, the test may have to be a simple one of evidence.Paul's = the ANS collection, of solid provenanceDick's = ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Unless someone has (and can read) the original regulations, the test may have to be a simple one of evidence.Paul's = the ANS collection, of solid provenanceDick's = ???How about visiting the OMSA medal database? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 The National History Museum in Bucharest has the following badge in its collections; the ribbon is green with red edges. The order is attributed to General Constantin Stefanescu Amza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I did some deep research and found an article written by James W. Peterson and Harry Mohler in the June 18th, 1962 edition of "The Medal Collector".The following is an excerpt from the article:THE ORDER OF THE STRIPED TIGER OF THE REPUBLIC OF CHINAbY James W. Peterson and Harry Mohler"19. Sash, Cravat and Ribbon (A)> Color - First Class Grand Cordon sash is red with yellow edges. Second Class Grans Cordon sash is 83mm, canary yellow with 15mm dark green edges, or light yellow with light green edges. Third Class Cravat and 4th - 6th Class Breast Ribbons are 35mm to 38mm, watered, green with 6mm - 7mm RED EDGES, varying in shade. The 7th - 9th Classes are most commonly found on a dark blue ribbon with white sidestripes, but other specimens have a white ribbon with red outer/blue inner edges."I hope this helps to clarify the red magenta purple red stripe.Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) Thanks, Dick. I had distantly remembered that piece, but (between a nasty divorce where some JOMSA back issues were lost and a current-house flood where many back issues were lost) I couldn't find it. The "varying in shade" (as you suggest) may be the key? And the Peterson and Mohler work was first-rate; a shame it didn't proceed.Interesting. The British 2nd Afghan War medal ribbon (per BB&M, mine are in off-site storage just now ) is "32 mm, green with crimson edge stripes". But just what does "crimson" mean?? Such descriptions are alwaya an issue! Can we really expect too much consistency from these ribbons, especially after all these years of vairaible fading?? Edited April 9, 2009 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard LaTondre Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Thanks, Dick. I had distantly remembered that piece, but (between a nasty divorce where some JOMSA back issues were lost and a current-house flood where many back issues were lost) I couldn't find it. The "varying in shade" (as you suggest) may be the key? And the Peterson and Mohler work was first-rate; a shame it didn't proceed.Interesting. The British 2nd Afghan War medal ribbon (per BB&M, mine are in off-site storage just now ) is "32 mm, green with crimson edge stripes". But just what does "crimson" mean?? Such descriptions are alwaya an issue! Can we really expect too much consistency from these ribbons, especially after all these years of vairaible fading??Exactly! You hit it square on the head! What is red? Well it certainly can be crimson. Magenta or a time tempered shade therof.Sorry about your loss of those precious back issues. It used to be that you could request a copy from the back issue honcho.I was so surprised to find that article which was written by two great hard hitting collectors. Both of them had a set of Striped Tigers to fall back on for research. It was interesting to read about the 9th Class Order. The Striped Tigers in my collection all have the reddish edge stripe but they are all about a century old. I do not know of any other order of Chinese or Japanese medal that has nine classes. Maybe I should submit the whole article but would imagine that there are many collectors that have it in their files.Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilo Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 (edited) Maybe I should submit the whole article but would imagine that there are many collectors that have it in their files.Hi All,Finally it seems that this little mistery was solved !RichardIn regards of the submission of the artiche, I surely have not it so I greatly appreciate - if you want - that you post it here. Carol IFor the records here, Can you remember which class is the Striped Tiger Order attribuited to General Constantin Stefanescu Amza ?As an aside, May I ask you to answer a similar question about the colours used for the ribbon of another Chinese Order (Brilliant Star) with particular riferiment to the Grand Cordon class ?You can see my post at: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=33354 I suspect that two different types of ribbon were used for this Order but would like to establish - as precisely as possible - an exact date for the change of the pattern.RichardAny entry about this, in the article by James W. Peterson and Harry Mohler you mentioned in the previous post ??Paul Wood ???All the Bestlilo Edited April 10, 2009 by lilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Carol IFor the records here, Can you remember which class is the Striped Tiger Order attribuited to General Constantin Stefanescu Amza ?It was the third class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilo Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 It was the third class.Hi Carol I,Many thanks for your answer.RegardsLilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now