TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 I was asked by one of my squadron mates to appraise a set of WW1 medals from his wife's family for insurance purposes. I really wasn't expecting what I saw, this goes way above my talents. Below are the 2 sets to brothers who both earned the Military Cross and who died in combat in WW1, both were French Canadians from the province of Quebec. I understand that in the UK, this might not be that rare, but in Canada and more particularly in French Canada, this is about as rare as it gets!!Both were officers, one in the 22nd French Canadian Battalion (later to be the Royal 22nd Regiment, the "Vandoos"), the other if I read it correctly was in the 80th battalion out of Nicolet Quebec.http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-3030-1242953512.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-3030-1242953518.jpgLambert Dumont Laviolette & Alexandre Laviolette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 As you can see, both had earned the Military Cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Major Lambert Dumont Laviolette's set include:-Military Cross (named to major Laviolette).-1914-14 Star (named to lieutenant Laviolette).-British War Medal (maj).-Victory Medal (maj) - Odd that there was no MID.-French Croix de Guerre with Palme-Belgian Civic MedalAll documents are included in the set, including the major's original 1869 Victorian officer's commission! Edited May 22, 2009 by TacHel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 The reverse of the MC and the 2 European awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 These are his brother Alexandre's medals, MC, BMW and VM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 Also included are these 2 medals which I am unfamiliar with.And the 2 Mother's Crosses as set on their mother's rosaries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Both officers' commissions.One Victorian (and in French to boot! Can't be that common!?!), the other George V. Edited May 22, 2009 by TacHel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 The set includes the Belgian and French award citations for Major Laviolette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 The brothers purchased Postcard booklets in France which they used to keep detailed journals of their time at the front. These are also included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 Both brothers' death certificates signed by Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 The items also included are various hat badges, shoulder titles, spoons, toiletry kits etc. Absolutely astounding! It seems their entire personal effects not only survived but were all brought back to Canada and preserved to this date as a complete ensemble!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 Any help in appraising (even a ball park figure) this incredible historical treasure would be greatly appreciated!!I want to point out something important: I AM NOT GETTING PAID FOR THIS APPRAISAL just in case you were wondering. Very few collectors around here and my subordinates know my great interest in these matters and didn't know where else to turn. And like I mentioned in the first post... This is way out of my league, too many artifacts accompany the sets. Awaiting your thoughts gents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKeating Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Their mother's rosary is hard to look at.PK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwyz Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Hello,It appears further research will be required as Alexandre's MC does not seem to be listed for Canadian service (!)Perhaps he won it while serving with a British regiment.Lambert's MC won won as a Lieutenant.Nevertheless, assuming the MC is correct, an unusual grouping to say the least.I should think that an insurance amount would be in the $10,000 to $12,000 range, perhaps even higher ? IF Alexandre's MC can be confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 Their mother's rosary is hard to look at.PKI agree wholeheartedly, to the point of originally hesitating as to whether or not to include the picture... Very poignant indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKeating Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) You were right to include it. We sometimes forget those who were or are left behind in our desire to honour those who fell. Quant au groupement, cher ami, je regrette que je ne peux rien vous dire au niveau de sa valeur, qui devrait ?tre importante, mais je n'ai jamais vu un tel groupement, sauf, comme vous dites, quelques exemplaires aux officiers purement britanniques. Mais le Canada fran?ais? Jamais! Je suppose que m?me si l'Enseigne Jean-Baptiste Levereault de Langis de Montegron dit ?Langy? desapprouvait politiquement les Qu?becois qui luttait pour les anglais, il les aurait bien acceuilli au Valhalla en tant que guerrier franco-canadien! You are looking at an insurance value somewhere past five figures in Sterling, let alone Canadian dollars.PK Edited May 22, 2009 by PKeating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Also included are these 2 medals which I am unfamiliar with.The one on the left is a society medal for the I.O.D.E. The mother probably joined when war broke out. The second is for another society "Mothers in Sacrifice". I had one where the son's name was engraved, but here, presumably because there were two, they are on bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Hi Frankhttp://cgi.ebay.com/VIMY-RIDGE-MILITARY-CR...%3A1%7C294%3A50The above auction is currently running on ebay. My thought is that the lot you posted will go for about $13,000 canadianCheersChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Could you post a better pic of the Belgian award document.Or maybe the text of article 1 & 2.It is very difficult to read from the pic you posted.ThanksJan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 Could you post a better pic of the Belgian award document.Or maybe the text of article 1 & 2.It is very difficult to read from the pic you posted.ThanksJanThe articles are back with the family, I'll ask for better pics or borrow them to properly scan them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 The articles are back with the family, I'll ask for better pics or borrow them to properly scan them.That would be wonderful, thank youJan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 An 'ordinary' MC group will sell at auction for between ?800 and ?1500 - more if it has special service. How do you price two brothers and the complete set of mementoes, extra service awards and papers. As PK said - the Rosary alone almost brings tears. The only thing I have seen that was more poignant,was a small bible - where each brother in turn had carried it- until KIA. Three brothers in turn , had inscribed the flyleaf - all died !PK is right - they will never sell them- so, insurance of at least ?10,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Very in teresting group! For somebody not familiar with these, were mother's crosses given to a mother when her son was KIA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 Very in teresting group! For somebody not familiar with these, were mother's crosses given to a mother when her son was KIA?It's "familiarly" called that... It goes to the next of kin, but so many KIAs were so young, mostly mothers received them. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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