saschaw Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Massive wreath where none should be and a clasp you're still missing... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Quite old guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Missed that one a month ago-- Nice Schickle 40 pair! So, what do the WHOLE bars look like? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Actually, they are as easy they can get. The WHDA40 is only a Beamter's with nothing else peculiar on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 (edited) And the DOA1912 has just EK2 and KO4X (or maybe RAO4X), but in this case, this might be the clue... does Ludvigsen's statistic give numbers for KO4X awarded in 1912... ? :rolleyes: Edited July 19, 2009 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 And the DOA1912 has just EK2 and KO4X (or maybe RAO4X), but in this case, this might be the clue... does Ludvigsen's statistic give numbers for KO4X awarded in 1912... ? What was the DOA1912 awarded for?regardsDavid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 A nasty little back-country "bit of bother" as the British would say. Of course Sascha. You didn't get a Ludvigsen? Better be nice to me.... KO4X 1912 =... 6Now I don't HAVE the Orders Listen, and I suspect these may have been delayed processing awards so that they ACTUALLY appeared (or rather did NOT, since the last published volume stopped in January of that year) in 1913. There were NO officers in ST-DOA who HAD a KO4X in 1913 who did not already have one in 1911...however there were TWO who show them in 1914 who did not have them as of May 1913--and one was killed in 1914.The sole remaining "suspect" isHarald von Linde-SudenLeutnant 18.10.04 E1 in Feldart Rgt 6-- plain old "Linde" to 1908in 1909 he arrived in the ST-DOA as "von Linde" and by 1911 his name had changed AGAIN to "von Linde-Suden."Oberleutnant 18.10.13 Q3qStill listed as in East Africa per the 1914 Rank List BUTand this is where following clues gets tricky, boys and girls he is listed NORMALLY in the January 1918 Seniority List among the field artillery officers asHauptmann 22.03.15 J18iwhich means he MUST have been home in Germany when the war started. Schutztruppen officers cut off in Africa remained at their old rank dates until repatriated AFTER the war. Char. Major aD, alive 1926... and so far no other awards found for him.OK, that leaves 4 unaccounted for. Well, they wern't regular Schutztruppen officers (and yes, I've tracked transfers in and out), which suggest they were local colonists. MIGHT be one of them-- but they are "invisible."Of the 6, excluding the 1914 casualty (Oberleutnant Busse), only von Linde-Suden left a paper trail behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd D Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Harald von Linde-Suden had to stay in DOA until 1918. He was wounded in 1916 and put into a POW camp in Tabora. In 1918 he return to Germany via Switzerland. As far as I know he did not receive an EK II, but I'm not sure about it.The clasp DOA 1912 was for two actions:26.-27.3.1912 Expedition gegen die Wambulu8.4.-20.5.1912 Expedition gegen Ndungutze und Bassebja in NordruandaBoth were carried out by the police troop.Bernd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hi Rick,These superb pics and magnificent items remind me the excellent article you had posted on WAF. I know the story about it, since... But, do you have updated it since ? Is there a place where to see it today ?Just thinking about this...Thanks and cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Oh yes, right over on the other half of the GMIC website. Under "Gallery" up at top right of the main page. Click that orhttp://gmic.co.uk/index.php?autocom=galler...q=sc&cat=23Many more things here, especially photos in wear. My epic narrative style of writing has not (yet) allowed for "page reading" style in there... and I've been very busy the last few years with the Research Gnome Collective's work getting German WW1 award rolls published. The section in the GMIC Gallery is the ONLY authorized place for my work on German ribbon bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) Nice work Edited July 20, 2009 by medalnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) Thanks Gentlemen for your work However, I'vwe been e-mailed that not only Lts von Linde-Suden and Busse got a KO4X in 1912 (11th June) and had nothing else, but that there's been a third one: Stabsarzt Dr. Pentschke! So I assume we cannot norrow it down to one? Well, two or three is also not bad... thanks! PS: I alway wonderded when they started to produce mini battle clasps for the 1915 ribbon bars... it seems they startet outright. Edited July 28, 2023 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Busse was killed in 1914 so can't be his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 Nice finds Sascha! Hard to belive that even 4 place bar can be (almost) trackable! Amazing work Rick! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 Here is one set of swords on the buttonaire. I haven't seen this type of "fat" swords before! Also quick look to Rick's gallery didn't helped. So, maybe something what you would like to add? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 Comparing with the regular size swords device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 :Cat-Scratch: Good Lord!!! Never seen anything like THOSE before!!! My first impression-- especially with the Xs sewn on... is that they are not German at all. Really really weird!!! ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted November 7, 2009 Author Share Posted November 7, 2009 One 40 years of service device again. Very nice and sharp details. Bar is with maker dag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 enjoy... :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 What is odd is the absences of any military or civilian long service decoration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 Oh Claudio! Your bar is the best two row ones what I have ever seen! Here is two more devices for Rick, if you find them useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 And the single bar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Thank you but this project is now over. What is currently there is all that will be there. Thanks to everyone who assisted getting it to where it went. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 What is odd is the absences of any military or civilian long service decoration! Nothing to worry about... it came with a lot of documents... so I am pretty sure it's a good one! Here are the miniatures... Ciao, Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Vary nice to see where Hptm Falke miniatur chain and ribon bar goes. Vary nice group of a famous pilot. Regards Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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