HeikoGrusdat Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 .................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Heiko, how close are you having every battle clasp for the 1870-1871 War? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Hi Heiko, still in pain?? I hope you are OK. The last group of 3.... is that the set from Ziege with the matching miniature?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 By the way, here is an article I wrote explaining what each of the clasps to the 1870-71 KDM were for:http://home.att.net/~david.danner/militaria/KDM_1870-71.htmIt's sort of a clasp-driven summary history of the Franco-Prussian War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 By the way, here is an article I wrote explaining what each of the clasps to the 1870-71 KDM were for:http://home.att.net/~david.danner/militaria/KDM_1870-71.htmIt's sort of a clasp-driven summary history of the Franco-Prussian War.Nice piece, Dave. Thanks.Makes me regret letting mine go some years back. Thanks again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Hi Paul - here's the Gravelotte bar, the best I can do it with my crappy image software!cheers Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Heiko,That bar (post #19) is truly unique. That double ribbon arrangement makes sense - I?ve got to wonder why it isn?t seen more often.Thanks for sharing.Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Gentlemen,A Saxon example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notned Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) Cheers Jason.I am curious about these bars...and before i leap in at the deep end...i want to learn about these bars.So i have been looking at one with the Paris and Gravelotte St privat bars but do not want to buy a fakery.That saxon bar is quite cute! cheers mate!I am still looking in wonder at the Bar that came this morning...its soo much nicer to behold in the hands!anyway i will look at more examples of the campaign bars... i will photoshop it a bit more and see if i can get it to show up better........RegardsPaul Edited November 30, 2005 by notned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Gentlemen,Jumping from campaign bars for a moment, I would like to present a group of the period showing a different form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Gentlemen,A Saxon example.Wild Card,Would it possible to see a scan of the back, please?Many thanks in advance,David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Hi Chris, FANTASTIC woman's group... I can count on my hands the number of ladies' bows like this I've seen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 What a great group! I did not know that women received a noncom. campaign medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Gentlemen,A Saxon example.Why do I always have to be the nitpicker? Not Saxon, but Grand Duchy of Saxe-Weimar. Unless the context is clear (e.g., "Saxon duchies" when referring to the three duchies of Saxe-Altenburg, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and Saxe-Meiningen), to avoid confusion the term "Saxon" should be reserved for the Kingdom of Saxony. By the way, really nice bar. The Silver Merit Medal with Clasp and Swords (silberne Verdienstmedaille mit Bandschnalle und Schwertern), the Saxe-Weimar equivalent of the 1870 Iron Cross, is pretty uncommon. Saxe-Weimar's enlisted EK equivalent in World War One, the General Honor Decoration with Clasp and Swords (Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen mit Bandschnalle und Schwertern), is patterned after this award.Interestingly, Saxe-Weimar's regiment, IR 94, fought at W?rth, Sedan, and Orl?ans, but none of those bars are present. By the combination, the bar may have belonged to someone in another Saxon or Thuringian unit in the XII (Saxon) Army Corps. So maybe there's no nit to pick after all, as the recipient might have been a Weimeraner (the person, not the dog) in a Saxon unit or a Saxon who otherwise drew the Grand Duke's attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) David Gregory - Here is the reverse of the Grand Duchy of Saxe-Weimar group that you requested.Dave Danner- Be a nitpicker, we need 'em. In recording history, accuracy is paramount. In this cas, I must plead casual ignorance because in my collecting endeavors, I try to avoid "Saxony" (kingdom, duchies, et al.) as there is just too much to it. I wil be more precise in the future. Thanks.Wild Card Edited November 30, 2005 by Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Wild Card,Thanks for showing that. I suspected to see something very similar to the later Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen, as Dave D. pointed out above.So many 2-medal bars of that era seem to be the standard Kriegsdenkm?nze and Centenary medal, this one is a refreshing change.It must also be fairly scarce.David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 One more combination. An enlisted man who stayed on a few extra years beyond the two wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) Another, by someone who spared some expense putting together his bar. Edited November 30, 2005 by Dave Danner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 And for someone who wasn't in the war. If the combination is military (I have no idea what civilians might have qualified for the Centenary Medal), probably a turn-of-the-century Hauptmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notned Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 Hi Dave,Nic Bars!Thanks for showing!Now one question...I have seen a few bars with the single prong for suspending the medal on the reverse...with the medal beign attached from the front.Why would the Jeweller /assembler leave this pin there and carefully cut a hole for it to poke thru the felt backing...?Perhaps as a tensioning device for keeping the bars pin closed? hmmmmm....worth thinking about...Cheers GentsPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Hello all,@ Stogie: "Hi Heiko, still in pain?? I hope you are OK. The last group of 3.... is that the set from Ziege with the matching miniature?? " No this is not the one from Zeige, I had it since some years....@Bob: "Heiko, how close are you having every battle clasp for the 1870-1871 War?"Bob, I think there are some more of the official ones missing, but not very much... the problem is that I am collecting ALL german imperial battle clasps, that means for the 70/71 medal, for the Baden medal, China medal, Southwestafrika medal, colonial medal, Kyffh?user medal, veteran org. clasps, regimental clasps, EK clasps and so on... I think if I want to have ALL possible clasps I need to get some 200 more... (and I have allready some hundreds... Here is a beautiful example of the 1895 jubilee clasp for the 25th aniversary of the 70/71 war - very rare!!!Heiko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wild Card Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Heiko,"Here is a beautiful example of the 1895 jubilee clasp for the 25th aniversary of the 70/71 war - very rare!!!".You've certainly got that right, congratulations!Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Gentlemen,Something in Dave Danner?s post (#43) caught my attention as it pertains to something that has puzzled me for years. Specifically, I am referring to the ribbon on the General Honor Decoration (medal, on the far left).Normally the ribbon on this medal has side stripes in a more orange shade of red, like those on Red Eagle decorations. This, for lack of a better term, ?brick red? stripe is so commonly seen on the Hannover Jubilee medals that I am convinced that it was the original issue; but I have never seen anything that would substantiate this. Any ideas out there?Thanks in advance,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 An example, on the far right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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