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Demir and all collectors of Turkish War Medals, I think some of you can make a connection between the style of a Tugra and the manufacturer. Go on then!

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Thanks Guys. These are from my collection and only 2 are maker-marked:

Top row, 1st left is AWS and 2nd is BB&Co. The last on the right is indeed a painted one, the so-called Turkish made.

The bottom left is not marked so I am interested to read your comment about Godet.

I know Demir has a great collection of these so I hope he will be able to chip-in although he is far from his home and collection right now. Come on everyone, get your Turkish stars out!

Edited by TerryG

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Thtat's not a turkish maker mark-it is the tughra itself pressed into the back.

I beg your pardon? Can you explain, or is there a thread that discusses this further...

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I beg your pardon? Can you explain, or is there a thread that discusses this further...

A thread? If you have the star in hand, please turn it around and you'll realize. ;)

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A thread? If you have the star in hand, please turn it around and you'll realize. ;)

I'm not sure I understand your statement. Do you mean that the impression in the back is the same, but concave, of the Tugra image on the front? The shape doesn't line-up correctly. I don't believe the impression made into the back of the TWM is the negative mold image of the Sultan signature (Tugra) from the front.

Is this what you meant?

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Is this what you meant?

Right, that's what I meant. And I think it is right - unless someone who speaks Ottoman says it means something else. ;)

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It is far easier-- and simpler-- to identify makers by patterns under the enamel and the edges of the star itself than for any of us to "read" what unfortunately look like anatomical sections of a snail and a partially developed egg turning into a chicken. :speechless1:

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Please compare it:

Uwe

Are there some letters on the left? Here is the back of a similar Star. The large mark is not as clear. So, what is it then?

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It is far easier-- and simpler-- to identify makers by patterns under the enamel and the edges of the star itself than for any of us to "read" what unfortunately look like anatomical sections of a snail and a partially developed egg turning into a chicken. :speechless1:

True-

BUT as some of these were multipiece construction, the Tughra may also give a clue as to "parts" used. This is obscure to be sure, but nontheless, may be a useful clue.

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Hi Terry,

the left part of the picture in my Post (12) is reflected. Without reflection you can see, that it is the same indentation on your TWM, but only a part:

Uwe

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What are these letters? And can you also please show a full shot of the back with the pin/catch.

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THANK YOU TERRY,

LOVELY TOPIC.

AS YOU SAY I AM STILL AWAY FROM HOME BUT I USED THE PICTURES IN MY LAPTOP AND ALSO USED THE PICTURES POSTED BY GMIC FRIENDS (THANKS).

I WILL TRY TO UPLOAD THE TWMs BY DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS GIVING THEIR NAMES AND "TUGRA"s AND REVERSES.

PLEASE SEE THAT THE BASE ENAMEL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE MANUFACTURERS. ALSO NOTICE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TWMs MADE BY THE SAME MANUFACTURER.

CHECK THE DIFFERENCES IN BB&Co. AND OTHER MANUFACTURES TUGRAS AND "EL GAZI" SIGNS.

I HOPE THIS WILL HELP.

ALL THE BEST :beer:

demir

TWM MANUFACTURER NAME:

AWS

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