Stogieman Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 Can anyone ID this Turkish Order?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 12, 2005 Author Share Posted December 12, 2005 Reverse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 It isn't Turkish. It a Nichan Iftikhar (Order of Glory) from Tunisia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 And a very nice one too, though odd on that goofy triangular ribbon.A closeup on the center will allow decipherment of which ruler awarded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 Even more odd on THIS trifold wearer:[attachmentid=18934]But at least now we know who those guys were in "Raiders of the Lost Ark." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 12, 2005 Author Share Posted December 12, 2005 OK, then we have to ask................. how, oh how, oh how does an AUSTRIAN end up with one of these? Und Dats vye vee haf der trifolded ribbon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Yeah, Ottoman, I could understand, but Tunis?! Dating it from the bey's name will help. Trying to squint at first scan now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 13, 2005 Author Share Posted December 13, 2005 Thanks all for the help. I had just assumed it to be Turkish. This is a story I would love to hear how he managed to receive this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Not so easy to ID, regarding the angle of the pic. Nevertheless, I would bet for Sidi Ahmed type (1929-1942).Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 I'd agree, Christophe. But was hoping for a better scan before sticking my neck out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Ed,I take all risks... Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 Unfortunately, this piece was part of a group of three custom cased pieces sold individually ( ) in Germany. All 3 cases bore the name Ferdinand Bernhardt on the lids in gold. I won 2 of the 3 and missed this one. I am currently attempting to plea with the other bidder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Splitters . . . !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 @Stogieman,there are some strange deatails about this group offered on ebay germany. The name Ferdinand Bernhardt was written on all three boxes. But the medals in the boxes don't fit to ONE persons life.-Austria Medal fpr the Danish-Prussian-Austrian War 1864-Signum Memorieae Medal Franz Josef 1898-Officersclass Nishan-Ifthikar - Christophe dates the tunisian order in the Reign of Sidi Ahmed 1919-1942How can decorations that date from 1864-1929 be awarded to one single man ?Mathematically it is possible but I can't belive it. All boxes are made the same style and must date, if the awards belong to one person, from 1929. But the look defintely like made in the 1870ies or 80es. So please, can somebody again check the iftikar-order. ist must be from an earlier tunisian bey.haynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 @Stogieman,there are some strange deatails about this group offered on ebay germany. The name Ferdinand Bernhardt was written on all three boxes. But the medals in the boxes don't fit to ONE persons life.-Austria Medal fpr the Danish-Prussian-Austrian War 1864-Signum Memorieae Medal Franz Josef 1898-Officersclass Nishan-Ifthikar - Christophe dates the tunisian order in the Reign of Sidi Ahmed 1919-1942How can decorations that date from 1864-1929 be awarded to one single man ?Mathematically it is possible but I can't belive it. All boxes are made the same style and must date, if the awards belong to one person, from 1929. But the look defintely like made in the 1870ies or 80es. So please, can somebody again check the iftikar-order. ist must be from an earlier tunisian bey.haynauIt is going to take a better scan than the one we have here to do this, Haynau. As you know, so many people consider any script other than Roman (or maybe Cyrillic) to be just "squiggles", and so never take care to depict it clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 14, 2005 Author Share Posted December 14, 2005 I agree that the grouping is odd. I will be very curious when I get the 2 double cases to see how the pieces actually fit. I also agree that the style/materials of the cases as can be seen in the photos are pre-1900 easily. A quick check with Glen J and there was no officer listed with this name. (I might have mis-spelled when I sent to Glen, dropping the "t" in Bernhardt. I can see the Jubilee and the 1864, but very curious that he doubled them up in the cases.... the old "I don't want anyone to miss the other side" theory? A first for me. I have handled many, many custom cases, cased groups, etc. in both German and Austrian over the years and this one really "spoke" to me. We shall see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Thinking again about it, and again, the quality of the pic does not help...; it is very possible this order is a north african handmade quality (look at the back) dating from Mohamed es Sadok (1859-1882) which would be compliant with the other orders.But Mohamed es Sadok cypher is one very complex (even for someone able to read some arabic... at least the modern one...).But again , the quality of the pic doesn' allow to be formal. Ed, your opinion ?Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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