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    Sukhbaatar Order


    Vatjan

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    Oh no, this breaks my heart :(

    My brother had a thought about this one.....

    Could this be a victim of the same "crime" as a lot of Soviet motherhood orders?...

    Ripped apart and the gold sold!!!!

    Very sad to see something like this!!!

    My guess $250-$300 is where it'll end...

    But what do I know...

    JC

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    This award is definitely was taken apart for gold.

    . . . and platinum. Even worse?

    But it does send the (sad) message that these are now being seen as commodities, fit only for disassembly for raw materials and resale as leftover spare parts. I saw 4 or 5 such mangled SBs in UB.

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    . . . and platinum. Even worse?

    But it does send the (sad) message that these are now being seen as commodities, fit only for disassembly for raw materials and resale as leftover spare parts. I saw 4 or 5 such mangled SBs in UB.

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    I'm guessing that these where taken apart several years ago when they were actually worth nothing more than the gold price....

    Today they are worth (guessing) at least three times the gold/platinum value so somebody would have to be pretty thick to do that now....Unless the item was stolen and it's being done to cover their tracks....

    Very sad this!!!!

    JC

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    No, I think that what is happening is that "The Market" (= "Igor") is shaking out bits and scraps long since "harvested" for their choice bits. I have never seen so many fragments of medals as I saw in March in UB. Any piece is now "martketable" (if anyone buys it).

    :banger:

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    New low serial # for a PB #813!!!!

    Nice enamel... for sale right now, you know where!!!

    Starting at $99!!! I wonder where this one will end at!!!

    Sold for $138.50

    I thought about getting it, but what are you going to do with such sad and incomplete piece?

    William

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    OK . . . in a (probably futile) effort to "spice things up" here, I present two Sukhbaatar Order badges (both screwback).

    What do you see?

    More to come as answers appear (or not).

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    Hmm, the texture of the gold star in A seems to be a bit grainy where as b seems smooth.

    The letters in Sukhbaa... seem different

    And the enamel of A seems to be thicker with a more rounded surface

    Intriguing :jumping:

    Jan

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    Ed,

    Intriguing... I'm totally zero in Mongolian orders, but 3 ideas :

    1. Is there a "big" difference of period / time between them ?

    2. Have some of these orders been made in different mints ?

    3. Have some of them been made outside Mongolia (Soviet Union) ? (which is maybe the case of all of them... but I am totally zero in this field...) :rolleyes:

    Just 3 ideas...

    Cheers.

    Ch.

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    Good questions, Christophe. Thanks. :beer:

    Ed,

    Intriguing... I'm totally zero in Mongolian orders, but 3 ideas :

    1. Is there a "big" difference of period / time between them ?

    Perhaps. Maybe a year or so for these two Sukhbaatar badges shown. The standard badge ("b") is numbered <10 (that is all I can say for now).

    2. Have some of these orders been made in different mints ?

    So far as we know, now, all were made in the USSR by МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР but are not so marked.

    3. Have some of them been made outside Mongolia (Soviet Union) ? (which is maybe the case of all of them... but I am totally zero in this field...) :rolleyes:

    Just 3 ideas...

    Cheers.

    Ch.

    Third question answered above, I think.

    We MUST all free to guess outside our areas of comfort, otherwise how do we learn? :cheers:

    Yes, I am being cruel here . . . :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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    (...) Perhaps. Maybe a year or so for these two Sukhbaatar badges shown. The standard badge ("b") is numbered <10 (that is all I can say for now).(...)

    So, I would guess the "a" badge is a prototype... Or do I have to check it is SN 1 ? :rolleyes:

    Cheers.

    Ch.

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