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Hi, as extra info, he was here out the are, his location Aschaffenburg/Alzenau.... he also recieved the EK2 and BMVK 3rd class with swords during the war, then the beamten Ribbon one after the war....

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padro   

Doesn't look good, I would say a doctored Deschler 3rd class.

I like the enamelled pre 1905 MVK though looks in great condition.

Regards

Pete

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Homerjey   

Major Wilhelm Schwandner

He got the KO4X and MVO4X in DSWA.

 

Luipold-Medaille - 1905
KO4X - 17.8.1905
MVO4X - 07.12.1905
MVO4X Kr - 28.9.1915
Afrika DM - ?
DK 2. Klasse - 3.1.1916
EK2 - 12.6.1915
EK1 - ?
Er. Hochzeit - ab 1921
VWA - ?
FEK - 1934

 

Fähnrich - 8.2.1899
Leutnant - 7.3.1900
Oerleutnant - 18.10.1909
Hauptmann - 26.10.1914
Major - 15.10.1919

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I have a simple question.  In regards to class 3 MVK's, I have noticed that some of them have a reddish copper-like finish that resembles the finish on a brand new USA penny.  However, I've seen others that have a gold-like finish with little or no red.  In regards to the 2 MVK's that are pictured, which has the better (more desirable) finish?

 

 

MVK red crown rear.jpg

Bavarian crown4.jpg

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spolei   

Hello,

thats a Deschler MVK, not rare.
The early variants o MVK`s from Weiss, Leser and Hemmerle are desirable.
Also the onepiece MVK from Weiss and the zinc crown/swords variant.
For example onepiece MVK
MVK.3_Kl_Kr.X.Deschler.einteilig_Zink.thumb.JPG.24d89f8c312f89ece8f0e4fcd69c414f.JPGSeitansicht.thumb.jpg.5648a2ccce016573df690f8f336c3c81.jpg

Deschler _ Sohn_ MVK einteilig.jpg

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chuck   

spolei

the first time i have heard of a one piece cross if you don't mind sharing your knowledge.

what years were they made?

only by Weiss or did others try this variation?

Are these award pieces or a private purchase

For the lower rank soldiers i think these are nice awards.

regards,

chuck 

 

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spolei   
21 hours ago, chuck said:

spolei

the first time i have heard of a one piece cross if you don't mind sharing your knowledge.

what years were they made?

only by Weiss or did others try this variation?

Are these award pieces or a private purchase

For the lower rank soldiers i think these are nice awards.

regards,

chuck 

 

Hello Chuck,
the onepiece cross were made in the 1918s.
The manufacturers had to produce cheaper decorations,so they made one-piece crosses with seperate swords.
Weiss made only a few of copper ( non ferrous metal) with copper swords third class with swords and crown/swords.
Deschler startet with copper crosses and change to zink crosses with iron swords.
The third Class with crown and swords is rare.
In my collection ther is a coppered zinc-cross with swords.
Here some examples
Deschler zinc coppered, zinc crown swords.
Deschler coppered ( look at the backside agraffe) and Deschler zinc.

Weiss onepiece swords and crown swords.589646529e93e_onepieceDeschlerav.thumb.JPG.1c79b791c2c5064b25623162571b464e.JPG

onepiece Deschler rv.JPG

onepiece Weiss av.JPG

onepiece Weiss rv.JPG

MVK Einteiler (2).JPG

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chuck   

very nice.

I have the Deschler zinc with swords and have been looking for the crowned version, and  have not seen one for sale recently. very interesting to see that Deschler was not the only manufacturing company that changed the production at the end of the war.

 

thank you,

chuck

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spolei   

On the End of war there were four manufacturer, Leser, Hemmerle, Deschler and Weiß.
Lauer produces till 1916. I think that's the reason why Lauer has only blue boxes.
In 1916 something changes for the bavarian decorations, the golden parts would be silver guilt,
the ribbons become smaller and the boxes change to a simply red box.
It would be interesting to know the productions of all manufacturers and all classes in the seperate years of war.
Regards Spolei
 

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chuck   

Neal O'Conner book VOL II states the Prussian official changed to silver gilt by supreme Cabinet Order of Wilhelm II on November 16, 1916. i would reasonably assume that the other states also had trouble supplying gold for all the decoration and awards and followed suit after the kaisers decree.

 

Chuck

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I was wondering if someone could tell me the maker and the approximate date of issue for my latest addition to the family.  

GH 950 on the back of the Agraffe

GH 900 on the back of the sword.

Thanks.

 

 

Bavarian MVO--Front.jpg

Bavarian MVO--Rear.jpg

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The GH stands for Gebruder Hemmerle, a well known Bavarian jeweler.  It is a 1914-18 period piece since it is on a wartime ribbon.

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The GH stands for Gebuder Hemmerle, a well known Bavarian jeweler.  It is a 1914-18 period piece since it is on a wartime ribbon.

Beau,

Thank you very much.  I was looking at various photos of various variants (tongue twister), and of all the variants that I had looked at, I thought my medal looked most like the Hemmerle variants.  However, I didn't know that Hemmerle's first name was Gebuder so I wasn't aware of the connection between the GH and Hemmerle.   Thanks for clearing that up for me!  :) 

David

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Beau,

Thank you very much.  I was looking at various photos of various variants (tongue twister), and of all the variants that I had looked at, I thought my medal looked most like the Hemmerle variants.  However, I didn't know that Hemmerle's first name was Gebuder so I wasn't aware of the connection between the GH and Hemmerle.   Thanks for clearing that up for me!  :) 

David

Hi,

Gebruder Hemmerle means "The Hemmerle brothers"

Best

Chris

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spolei   
On 18.7.2017 at 20:22, laurentius said:

Hello

What do you guys think of this piece? Thanks in advance

Kind regards Laurentius

IMG-20170717-WA0041.jpg

OMG
Bad fake

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