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On 7/12/2014 at 18:38, johnnymac said:

Thank you for the comeback I have enjoyed your website as many others do.

 

The Casa Butuller firm, as you wrote, sold several different types of medals, if I'm to understand you correctly. But since Laslo's books, many more official, unofficial and repro medals have been found.

 

Normally when a company is selling an item, the item remains the same unless they are not the maker but the buyer of the item in question. So could it be that Butuller was the only seller "or" the outlet for many medal makers?

Look at the medal itself there is more than one difference than just the suspension ring as you suggested. Look at the rays of light going from wing to wing and note how they go from large rays to small rays at the middle and back to larger rays on the other wing. Also as I highlighted in my illustrations, the faces are different as well as the bunch of flowers, dress and the suspensions.

 

I can agree that many unofficial medals may have come from Butuller's firm. However I cannot agree that they should have the same classification as an unofficial type-1 as listed in Laslo's book. I can agree, though, they should be classified as unofficial type-1A and unofficial type-1B , C, D and so on, coming from the firm of Butuller in Lisbon, with maker unknown.

 

Many should realize that Laslo's book was not the definitive edition. As I know my own book (World War I, Victory Medals, by Michels 2014 - being sold on Amazon) is not "the last word" as well.

 

Sorry for book selling plug.

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Dear johnnymac,

In my opinion, the photo of medal by site "Order of decorations of medals 1914-1918" (on the right) is in very low resolution and of poor quality...(medal appear to be stretched)  probably this fact makes we to mistake:  i have this medal... for me is like unofficial tipe-3 of your book (pag.254 2nd ed.)
Probably a Butuller's new type. 

What do you think?

Thank's for your Book (i love it) and sorry for my bad English.

Macchianera72

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If i understand you rigth these are the two medals you are asking about. If these are medals, I do not think they are same medal and here's why.

Ckeck the blue and red sections I have marked and you will see the differences between each.

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On 1/15/2017 at 05:49, davidck said:

Hi Percy, that looks to me like an unofficial type 1.  There is, however, an official type 2 that just got put on eBay, if you're interested in taking a swing:
 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PORTUGAL-WW-I-INTER-ALLIED-VICTORY-MEDAL-ISSUED-1919-MEDALHA-DA-VIToRIA-SCARSE-/122311327186?hash=item1c7a52bdd2:g:VRsAAOSwA3dYejon

 

Hi David...thanks for the heads-up on this one, gave it a swing but someone outbid me! :o

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Dear All,

I recently added this Portuguese Victory Medal to my collection.

I have checked the previous discussion on the different types and as I understand this one is an official type 2 version. Am I right with this idea? Is this a period, first strike piece?

Another thing I would like to ask for your opinions. The ribbon of the medal is sadly frayed so I'm thinking about adding some period ribbon material as a replacement. I tried to compare the ribbon material to my other Victory Medals and the closest one in color, touch I found was the ribbon of the French Morlon Victory Medal. Are the portuguese used a distinctive ribbon type for their Victory Medals like the czech or an original period Morlon type ribbon would be a good replacement for this?

Many thanks in advance for your replies.

Kind regards,

Bence

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Dear All,
I just was offered a Portuguese VM and tried to ID it, but have to admit that I'm a little confused by the different types.
It looks somewhat like Reproduction type-4?
I would be very thankfull for your advice!

 

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18 hours ago, Auseklis said:

Dear All,
I just was offered a Portuguese VM and tried to ID it, but have to admit that I'm a little confused by the different types.
It looks somewhat like Reproduction type-4?
I would be very thankfull for your advice!

 

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Hi

Replica "modern", I think it is not worth it, there are still many Type 2 official. It's worth waiting a bit longer. That's just my opinion.

Cheers

Lambert

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