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    Hello everybody. I'm proposing not the medal itself, which is the well known Sacchini's version with its envelope, but the temporary authorization to use the medal. This document is not very common, since it was always changed with the official diploma as soon as possible. It is just a small piece of paper, dated 1928 from Perugia in this case.859.jpg

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    Hello Gentlemen,

    The Italian Victory medal unofficial type 3 is very rare...
    I know only two collectors in Italy who have it,
    one of this medal is in bronze, the other in white metal,
    These medals have the "staffa" as a suspension device...
    The medal in my photo is the one mentioned by Laslo on page 57 (note 18)

    "The unofficial type 3 obverse design also apears on a Belgian medal of the period. ..."  

    The reverse is blank

    The suspension device is a ball

    The ribbon is the same described by Laslo (note 18)

    and it is the only medal I've seen of this type.

    Can we consider this medal like "Italian unofficial type 3-A ?

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    Hello David,

    Don't forget to try and obtain the variety that doesn't have a makers name.  It is listed as the official type 4.  It is harder to obtain than the other three but is out there in the marketplace.

    Regards,
    Rob

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    On 14.01.2017 at 22:29, davidck said:

    После долгих охоты, я закончил свою коллекцию из трех вариантов итальянской медали Lorioli в.

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    Hello! 2 and 3 photos are the same! Yours faithfully!

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    On 11/14/2016 at 01:10, claudio2574 said:

    Hello everybody. I'm proposing not the medal itself, which is the well known Sacchini's version with its envelope, but the temporary authorization to use the medal. This document is not very common, since it was always changed with the official diploma as soon as possible. It is just a small piece of paper, dated 1928 from Perugia in this case.859.jpg

    Hello Claudio,

    I have also seen these initial victory medal authorisation documents glued onto the corresponding diploma for the Italian War Medal 1915-1918 (Medaglia Dell Guerra 1915-1918). There is, as you have suggested, great variety in these authorisation documents.

    Regards,
    Rob

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    On 1/21/2018 at 04:03, davidck said:

    I was only aware of three.  Can someone post a comparison of the four types?

    Hello David,

    As far as a comparison picture is concerned, if you go back through this particular thread there are numerous pics of all the 4 common varieties. A specific composite picture is at post #15 with a close-up of the two different F.M. Lorioli-Castelli varieties at post #19. I have stopped posting my collection but there are numerous other illustrations in this thread which show the level of detail and differences between the varieties which can help you.

    Here is a pic of the official 'type 4' (This is not in my collection).

    Regards,
    Rob

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    On 18/02/2018 at 17:53, davidck said:

    Thanks Rob, I actually do have an example of the Type 4, and three variants of the Lorioli variety.  Macchianera seemed to indicate there was a 4th Lorioli variant, which I was unaware of.

    yes the Lorioli's variants are four;
    Type 4 without signature is another medal

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    Hi macchianera72 - if there is no signature (by which I guess you mean the manufacturer's name) how do we know it is by Lorioli & Castelli? I have one, but always understood that the manufacturer is unknown.

    Bill

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    2 hours ago, Bilco said:

    Hi macchianera72 - if there is no signature (by which I guess you mean the manufacturer's name) how do we know it is by Lorioli & Castelli? I have one, but always understood that the manufacturer is unknown.

    Bill

    Hi Bill,
    There are 4 different Lorioli & Castelli  models with the signature.

    For your medal without signature, please send me some pictures, I hope I can identify them...

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    On 11/12/2016 at 15:17, macchianera72 said:

    Hello Gentlemen,

    The Italian Victory medal unofficial type 3 is very rare...
    I know only two collectors in Italy who have it,
    one of this medal is in bronze, the other in white metal,
    These medals have the "staffa" as a suspension device...
    The medal in my photo is the one mentioned by Laslo on page 57 (note 18)

    "The unofficial type 3 obverse design also apears on a Belgian medal of the period. ..."  

    The reverse is blank

    The suspension device is a ball

    The ribbon is the same described by Laslo (note 18)

    and it is the only medal I've seen of this type.

    Can we consider this medal like "Italian unofficial type 3-A ?

    unofficial italy.jpg

    unofficial italy rev.jpg

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    its variety does not have the back of the medal, I got a picture of this example and the illustration of a book showing the variations of the Italian VIC.

     

    Lambert

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    Thanks for all the information in this thread.

    Below are my three Italian Victory medals: -

    Firstly - EMILIO SACCHINI  

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    Second - S. JOHNSON

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    Lastly F.M. LORIOLI & CASTELLI

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    I believe them all to be Official medals.

     
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