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Philippines Victory Medals

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As we start out, we can use this thread for Philippine Victory Medals, variations in medals/ribbons, etc.

I wasn't going to add this one but, Laslo does discuss this variety, and they did exist. I'm hoping to see collectors that may have these in their collections come forward with some discussion.

Tim :cheers:

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Thought I would start by adding this file PIC from a recent eBay listing. Appears to have had the suspension ribbon wire or knob broken off.

Tim

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a more complete picture. so far not seen your ribbon, this is as rare as the medal of Siam and Brazil.

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Lambert

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Very nice!

In my past travels throughout the Philippines, and looking though various shops, etc. for old silver coins and such, I have never seen one for sale or displayed anywhere. Now, I wish I had looked harder. Honestly though, I never knew much about this version until I picked up Laslo's reference. Even then, until I seen this example listed recently on eBay, I had my doubts on these.

Same can be said about the Thai version, but my younger mind was always on other things. :whistle::P

Tim

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Hi Tim

I know little about this medal, I'm not sure if we can consider it as "Official." ??

and our research can say it later

I understand that. were made for the soldiers of the Philippine National Guard, was created by the Philippine Assembly in 1917 to serve under General John Pershing in Europe. He had 25,000 troops when it was absorbed into the national army. This unit, however, did not fight, it was only brought in federal service on Armistice Day and never leave the islands.

Lambert

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Hi Lambert,

Yes, I pretty much have the same understanding and never really thought of these as WW1 Victory Medals per-se. As you pointed out they were meant for the Philippine National Guard that did not actually participate in the Great War.

I think, as they were under US jurisdiction at the time, they felt they were entitled to something, being in uniform, similar to the average American soldier/sailor that may or may not have actually participated in battle but, was entitled to wear the victory medal as part of his uniform simply by being uniformed military at the time.

Laslo thought enough of it to include it in his reference, so I thought I should at least include it here and gave it it's own header. I have not done so with the Chinese Commemorative and figure either someone will want that one included or simply call it out in the "Other related section".

I must say, after seeing the quality of strike of the above ebay piece, I thought it closely mirrored the quality of the Philippine minted coins of that era, so had a change of heart towards these. Still, I would want a complete version with ribbon if I was to ever add one to my collection.

Tim

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Found this... From the 1922 edition of The Numismatist, Vol 35

http://books.google.com/books?id=RpcUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA554&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U2EYddaAz0nE4lOKgE19PVYPjkHkA&ci=115%2C633%2C816%2C445&edge=0

Have also read that only 6,000 were issued... While it wasn't referenced as such, that may come from Laslo.

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I thought that the Philippines was a US territory during that time, thus should receive(in my logic) the US version of that medal. I am very suprised to see this.

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I thought that the Philippines was a US territory during that time, thus should receive(in my logic) the US version of that medal. I am very suprised to see this.

Ahhh, logic... :whistle:

Indeed, the Philippines were an "unincorporated" territory - meaning they were merely a possession and not considered an integral part of the United States (and therefore under the jurisdiction of the Consitution). So, in that logic - they weren't the US at all and should have their own medal. Actually, the Philippine Autonomy Act was passed in 1916, which basically indicated the US intent to allow the Philippines to become independent at some point. So, in that logic...

Ahhh, logic... :speechless:

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Thanks for resurrecting this thread, as never knew there was a Phillipine version of the medal.

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Martin, thanks for your comment.

We have several experts with on-going discussions about various nations' Victory Medals and there is a lot to learn in this Special Interest Section on these very prolific category of medals. As the new Moderator for the "Inter-Allied Victory Medals of the Great War," I'm hoping to generate some renewed interest by the broader GMIC community in the topic; especially as we head to the 100th Anniversary of the outbreak of the Great War in 19 months.

Cheers! :cheers:

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IrishGunner

As I was looking thought this section, I noticed this one and would like add this for the readers

There were several other countries who did not make a Victory Medal as we know. They did make a medal to honor their part in the victory in the world war: Andorra, China, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Liberia, Montenegro, Nicaragua, Panama, Russia, San Marino, Serbia, British Empire: Australia, Canada, India, Bangladesh, Burma and Pakistan, Newfoundland, New Zealand and British crown colonies. And for the United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Philippine, Puerto Rico.

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It really is a shame that many countries that had a right to his Victory Medal, not done ..
would be fantastic to see these projects, if they existed ...

Lambert

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Hello,  Would like to share my victories,  enclose are three types.  I displayed my collection at the OMSA convention this year,  won Silver , and people choice.   Silent member for 8 years, William

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Well, Mister Weasel , thanks for breaking your silence! That display stand with your victory medals is a beautifully done piece of wood-working. Would love to see your entire display. Any more photos? 

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Cool collection . Can you show Philippines medals in detail?

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sure Ura87, official type 1, 3 mm thick, US possession coat of arms on reverse.

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here is the type 2,  same as official type 1, 2mm thick ,

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here is the reissue type , same as official, but reverse has commonwealth coat of arms on back.  Luzon for service campaign medal that shares the same reverse

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It's a fantastic collection! Thank you for showing.
I particularly liked the way the medals were displayed.

 

Lambert 

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