JT1959 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Gentlemen, please help me with this one. I collect mainly awards from WWII, but this one I know nothing about and I would like some info. How old can it be, and it is rare? It is marked with Pat. 2383012 on the back Or in the worst case, is it just a copy? Regards from Norway JT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1959 Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 another photo..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Adrob Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 From the pin, it looks to me as a fake!! What are the hallmarks [maker name ] ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1959 Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Hi Adrob, There is no hallmarks, only: Pat. 2383012 Regards JT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 JT - I agree with Adrob - it does look a bit 'tinny' and not quite right. However, having said that it bears a number and is probably more then a toy. I seem to remember, some time ago - that US Forces in Europe had a type of badge for Police Duties. Also, this is stamped in English. Do you think it could have had anything to do with WW2 ? Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1959 Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 The star is heavy and the metal is thick (it only looks thin from the picture, but it is due to striking of the text). I have no idea of age. The star came from a collection of police brands sold by an American police officer to a Swede once in the 70's. Is it possible to trace the Pat.number ? Regards JT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1959 Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 It is a United States Patent: 2383012 Issue date: August 21, 1945 Current U.S.Class: 24/708 Current International Class: A44B 9/18 (20060101); A44B 9/00 (20060101) This is the info I find on the Patent Database, but no photo or clue what it is. Regards JT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 JT - that is a puzzle - why would anyone want to patent a basic star with the wording this one has ? I'm sure that all of the papers could be looked up - would probably need expert help. Perhaps the patent is for the metal ? Can't - surely - be for the pin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1959 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 Thank you all for helping me Perhaps you gave a good tip there Mervyn..... The pin The disign of the needlehook is of the modern type, but still more powerful and solid than those found on new badges. Possibly this was a new design in 1946 and therefore paternted ? I dont know................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Seeing your picture of the pin JT - it probably was the subject of the patent. Still leaves us the mystery of who was the user ? Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I think it's a US Police Department generic badge. The constables' # was 22. It could be anybodys' badge- from PC Smith of Alligator, Texas to Trooper Rechaumbaud of the Portland, Maine PD. Definitively US though- and similar badges are still issued by some towns and cities. Most today however, prefer the "fancy bling". these are also heavily faked I might add. Have a look on eBay Europe. They are illegal (purportedly) to sell here in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1959 Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Thank you for the feedback Ulsterman. Regards JT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocpd71 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 JT - the pin is a dead giveaway as a fake. Badges of the period from when the simple "pie plate" style star shaped badges were used, almost invariably use the saddle type catch for the pin. And also, the pin and catch would be welded directly to the badge. Maybe the pin is a replacement, but it does not appear authentic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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