dedehansen Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Hello Gentlemen, I´m surching a crewlist of the Kreuzer Admiral Graf Spee at the time at Montevideo or someone who please could check a name for me if he returnd to Germany during WW 2. The person I,m surching is Steinhoff. I know that there exist a list with this names but I have no access. Thanks Andreas Edited September 18, 2016 by hucks216 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek hicks Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 A little late with information!! website http://admiral-graf-spee.blogspotcom ....list consists of about 25 pages complete...Regards Derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 1 hour ago, derek hicks said: A little late with information!! website http://admiral-graf-spee.blogspotcom ....list consists of about 25 pages complete...Regards Derek Hi Derek, thanks for the link very appreciated, but unfortunately it doesn´t work. I´m looking for the crewmember Oberfeuerwerksmaat Berthold Steinhoff. Kind regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucks216 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 He is listed on the crew list that the Argentines compiled when the crew were interned. The 'Ja' at the end relates to him being married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 2 hours ago, hucks216 said: He is listed on the crew list that the Argentines compiled when the crew were interned. The 'Ja' at the end relates to him being married. Thanks a lot hucks216, now I also know when he was born, much appreciated Is there also mentioned, if he escaped from Argentina? Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucks216 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 It doesn't mention that but I don't think many did. I know of a handful of officers who made it back to Germany (one was killed aboard the Bismarck) but not of any sailors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 1 hour ago, hucks216 said: It doesn't mention that but I don't think many did. I know of a handful of officers who made it back to Germany (one was killed aboard the Bismarck) but not of any sailors. I think Berthold managed to come home during WW2 What do you think? Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucks216 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Very hard to say without more details but chances are that it is the same person - same trade as well and the next rank up from the one held in 1939. A couple of years ago someone was selling so called 'Word of Honour' slips of paper that officers and crew of Graf Spee had to sign to say that they would come back from a period of leave. One of those slips was for Berthold Steinhoff. Whether they were original or not I don't know. Someone tried to sell them on GMIC at one point. You have some digging to do! : ) Try posting a question in the Kriegsmarine section of the Axis History Forum asking if anyone has a list of those who escaped internment from Argentina. After the war 850 sailors were repatriated back to Germany, although 400 went straight back to Argentina to start/continue their new life. Edited September 18, 2016 by hucks216 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucks216 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Looking at this clipping from an Australian newspaper dated for 12th September 1942, it gives a number of 130 for those who had escaped from internment so with that in mind it is highly likely that the sailor on the citation is the same as the Graf Spee survivor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 His remained documents: Dienstauszeichnung IV. Klasse Medaille zur Erinnerung an die Heimkehr des Memellandes Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1.Oktober 1938 Eisernes Kreuz 2.Klasse Flottenkriegsabzeichen Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2.Klasse mit Schwertern Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucks216 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Sounds like a great set. Was the EK II issued for the war cruise in 1939? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 His EK 2 was awarded on 24. Dezember 1939 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucks216 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I thought it might of been. I have a Soldbuch to a senior officer of Graf Spee who also escaped back to Germany. His EK II entry is dated for 1939 and his Flottenkriegsabzeichen is dated for 1942. The officer never went back to sea again as far as I can work out and if your Flottenkriegsabzeichen is for the Graf Spee I wonder if that is also true for your man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share Posted September 18, 2016 His Flottenkriegsabzeichen document dates from 20. Dezember 1942 Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucks216 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 The officer has all the same awards as your man with the addition of the Dienstauszeichnung II & III Klasse and the KvK I Kl mit Schwertern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek hicks Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Of interest I have quite a number (about 25-30) of original 'words of honour' from the Graf Spee. Set of original photos of funeral Langsdorf. Internment document Luftwaffe Major serving on Graf Spee. Letter from Langman (Ambassador Uruguay) to Argentinian authorities thanking them for getting Graf Spee seaworthy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj1 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 If anyone can help, I am searching for another crew member, Herbert krueger interned in Argentina... His rank may be Masch. OGefr. Any information regarding his fate welcome. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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