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South African Victory Medals

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Hi Paul

you can set your digital machine to a lower resolution , 72 dpi for example, or edit the Photoshop or another image editor to the same resolution ..

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Lambert

 

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ID: 29   Posted (edited)

Hello.
Could you please identify this South African unit?

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Vic and the War Medal is written S.A.H.A (?)

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Lambert

 

 

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ID: 30   Posted (edited)

Lambert - I think S.A.H.A is South African Horse Artillery. See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/records/abbreviations-in-world-war-one-medal-index-cards-unit.pdf the list of abbreviations used in WW1 MICs.

This source also has the first set you show as South African Service Corps Mounted Brigade Train!

 

Bill

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Thank Bill !!
 
That's what I was looking for .. it is extremely useful.
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Lambert
 

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I think it might be South African Heavy Artillery, but I will check later.

Brett

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ID: 33   Posted (edited)

Heavy artillery ??  British Railway gun ??

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 A South African heavy artillery brigade of 4.7 inch and 4 inch naval guns had already served in German South West Africa in 1915.  It was reconstituted as a regiment of five batteries for service in Europe.  It was armed with 6 inch howitzers.  The regiment was affiliated to the Royal Garrison Artillery, and  each battery was given a RGA number.  Officers of the regiment were awarded 11 DSO's, 1 OBE, 1 MBE, 1 bar to MC, and 26 MC's.  Other ranks also received many awards. The SAHA has an appendix devoted to it in the book 'The South African Forces in Europe' by John Buchan (Thomas Nelson & Sons). 

Brett

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Brett, I too thought S.A.H.A. was for South African Heavy Artillery.  However, the source from the National Archives posted by Bill in Post #30 seems authoritative.  I went back to my notes on the lone S.A.H.A. medal in my collection (a BWM) to a Gunner, but I did not record the source I found then for the abbreviation.  Of course, if you look at medals for sale on the internet with the S.A.H.A. abbreviation, they usually state Heavy Artillery.  So, there still is some doubt on my part.   But even with that, I would have to go with the source provided by Bill that it's Horse Artillery vice Heavy Artillery. 

Other thoughts?

 

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Chris, thanks for that...  I only remember seeing references to a Transvaal Horse Artillery that I think was in GSWA.  I also don't think I've seen anything about a South African horse arty unit in France as you note.  Abbreviation references are often guesses themselves. 

If I ever motivate myself to get back to writing articles on WWI artillery, a South African piece would be a good one.

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On 15/01/2017 at 06:36, davidck said:

I have taken the trouble of mounting my collection, thus far.  My examples of the Siamese and Brazilian medals are reproductions (as well as, possibly, my "landing victory" Italian), but all others are genuine as far as I know. 

I am missing several major variants, including Greece unofficial type 3, Italy official type 5 and unofficial types 2 and 3, Portugal official type 1 and unofficial type 2, and South Africa type 2.  I have seen both the South African type 2 and Portuguese unofficial type 2 for sale online, but both got away from me.  The others, I have never seen at all, as far as I remember.  Anyone aware of any of these for sale somewhere?

Hi David,

To provide some specific guidance regarding the South African type 2.  They are particularly difficult to find so if opportunity presents snag it because they just don't seem to be appearing on the market.  There are comparison pics of relatively good quality at posts # 2 & #3 at the start of this sub-thread.

If you also collect miniatures be aware that the bi-lingual vic is even rarer than the type 2 full-size.  The vast majority of South African miniature groups have the standard British vic mini but there were also bi-lingual vic mini's produced but in very limited quantities.  They are exceptionally rarely seen so again; should you see one snag it.

I have a number of examples of the full-size type 2 in my collection, as well as a bi-lingual mini, but they are staying put for the foreseeable future.

Good luck in your quest.

Regards,
Rob

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Thanks Rob, I'm continuing to look.  I actually found one on eMedals once, but waited a few months because I didn't feel like paying for it and was pretty sure it would still be there.  I decided to buy it one day and it was still available, but when I tried about half an hour later, someone had snatched it up.  Learned a valuable lesson that day.

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Dear All,
I just was offered this South African VM, it should be a type 1, but is it genuine?
I would be very thankfull for your advice!

 

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Hello!

Could you show clearer photos? It's a little dark. I really have a lot of doubts. I think it could be another fake medal.

Lambert

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Thank you. I'll ask for more pictures.

 

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