Belgian Spy and her BWM

[azyeoman]

Recently acquired this unusual British War Medal issued to R. Pluymackers.

Mse. Renee Pluymackers lived at 9 Rue Lulay, Liege with her mother Charlotte and father Joseph (executed) both also entitled to British War Medals. MIC confirms and extract-listing those executed.

I understand these can be confirmed in Belgium along with what Belgian medals were awarded. Can anyone tell me to whom I should write in order to do this? Of course any other information would be greatly appreciated too. Thanks so much in advance.

[QSAMIKE]

Good Evening......

There was one sold on ebay just a short time ago for a very good price.......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/World-War-1-British-War-medal-J-V-BOURSEAUX-36-mm-Diameter-/360562093105?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item53f32cec31

There is also a thread on BMF......

http://www.britishmedalforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=86714

Mike

[Chris Boonzaier]

Read this and weep... i stupidly sold it and got EUR200 for it... ;-)

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/3245-strange-bwm/

[dante]

Here are two groups of mine, one French agent and another Belgium

[azyeoman]

Two beautiful groups; you're very lucky to have them. I suspect that the woman whose BWM I have must have had a similar group as your Belgian group. I would love to confirm what Belgian medals she was entitled to. Do you know a way of doing that? Thanks!

[Jef]

Hello azeoman,

If I were you I would try this address: dirk.vanginderhuysen@mil.be ( Adjudant-Chef,Algemene Directie Human Resources,

Divisie Personeel,Ondersectie Notariaat,Eervolle Onderscheidingen) with all the info of that lady you have. I cannot promise you a positive answer but, you have nothing to loose and it's free.

Good luck

Jef

[azyeoman]

Hi Jef,

Thank you so very much. I will try and hope for the best. Cheers! John

[Jef]

Hello John,

In this website: http://civils19141918.canalblog.com/archives/p11-1.html i saw at least two lists where the name Plyumackers appear. Maybe there is more in following pages?.

Jef

[love4history]

€ 200 is not such a bad price Chris. Is about regular I think.

The one that was sold at 900 GBP on ebay was to an executed spy who also received the Medal in the Order of the British Empire which obviously adds a premium. Nevertheless 900 GBP is still an extraordinary price.

I would not expect too much from the above mentioned address. Don't forget we're talking about civilians here not military personnel. Chances that the military have records on them are very small.

"Standard" the Belgian Agents also received the Belgian WWI Commemorative with silver crown on the ribbon and the Belgian victory medal. Individual cases also received one or two other decorations.

Kind regards from Flanders

l4h

Oh yes, I must deny that father Joseph Pluymackers was executed though. He did indeed die during or shortly after the war, but he was not executed!

Edited January 28, 2013 by love4history

[azyeoman]

Hello, Love4history.

First thank you for the input; it's good to get as much info as possible. I have seen where he died during the war or shortly after as you've said, but how can I confirm that? : ) Any and all help is greatly apprecaited.

Cheers,

[azyeoman]

Hello Love4 History,

I've come across this and Monsieur J. Pluymackers of Liege and who was an agent in "section 2" is listed as one of the 180 who died 154 of whom where Belgian.

London Gazette : Volontaires

La London Gazette publie dans 3 suppléments de 1919 (1er Août, 29 Août, 15 Septembre) les noms de 2725 volontaires (essentiellement Belges, Français, parfois avec confusion des nationalités, et quelques Britanniques) attachés à l'Armée Britannique en France, section I, section II et C.O.A. (qui connait la signification de ces catégories ?) avec mention "Died" réservée à ceux qui ont été exécutés.

J'ai repris les noms et localités rectifiés des erreurs d'OCR mais sans corriger l'orthographe d'origine. Certains figurent dans la liste des 52 fusillés de Gand de la page Alfred PAGNIEN.

On y trouve :

• 1982 Hommes et 743 Femmes,

• 2498 Belges, 224 Français et 3 sujets Britanniques,

• 130 prêtres, religieux et religieuses,

• 6 Valenciennois ou réputés tels :

• 180 sont décédés dont
  • 154 de nationalité Belge.

civilité Nom Initiales Localité Sect. Monsieur Achtergael A. J. Gand Sect. 1 Madame Andre-Duquesnoy A. Atd COA Monsieur Baeckelmans J. Antwerp Sect. 1 Monsieur Baltdasart C. Vaux-sous-
Chevremont Sect. 2 Monsieur Baltdazar F. Hal Sect. 1 Monsieur Bartdélémy F. J. Liége Sect. 1 Monsieur Blanjean A. M. L. Etterbeek COA Monsieur Bodson M. St Josse-ten-Nood Sect. 1 Monsieur Bourseaux J. V. Liége Sect. 1 Monsieur Braeckman G. Tronchiennes Sect. 1 Monsieur Brion L. Wenduyne Sect. 1 Monsieur Bruyninckx A. P. Louvain Sect. 2 Monsieur Byn M. Gand Sect. 1 Monsieur Byn A. Tronchiennes Sect. 1 Monsieur Collard Louis Tintigny COA Monsieur Coigne A. L Courtrai Sect. 1 Monsieur Collard Antdony Tintigny COA Monsieur Cosse A. J. Namur Sect. 2 Monsieur Daubechies J. Jemappes Sect. 1 Monsieur De Bavay H. Herseaux Sect. 1 Monsieur De Belva J. B. Gand Sect. 1 Madame De Herdt-Schultz A. M Antwerp Sect. 2 Monsieur De Loose L. St Nicolas Sect. 1 Madame
la Comtesse De Moffart
D'Honchenee De Meeus M. Ciney COA Monsieur De Pauw C. Beerlyck Sect. 1 Monsieur De Ridder T. Brussels Sect. 1 Monsieur De Ridder J. B. Brussels Sect. 1 Monsieur De Taye C. Watervliet Sect. 1 Monsieur Debacker A. A. Mouscron Sect. 1 Monsieur Decabooter M. F. J. Courtrai Sect. 1 Monsieur Delaruelle A. Wachtebeke Sect. 1 Monsieur Delfosse F. Louvain Sect. 2 Monsieur Delrés A. Liége Sect. 2 Monsieur Delsaut J. Cuesmes Sect. 1 Monsieur Demuer T. Gand Sect. 1 Monsieur Demunck A. J. J. Angleur Sect. 2 Monsieur Descheutter J. Liers Sect. 1 Monsieur Desmottes L. Liége Sect. 2 Monsieur Dewispelaere P. R. Bruges Sect. 1 Monsieur Dhont A. Gand Sect. 1 Monsieur Dobbelaere J. Bassevelde Sect. 1 Monsieur Duchamps M. J. Liége Sect. 2 Monsieur Duerloo H. Esschen Sect. 2 Monsieur Everaert T. Bouchaute Sect. 1 Monsieur Everaert P. Eecloo Sect. 1 Monsieur Eykholt M. Lommel Sect. 1 Monsieur Franck A. Antwerp Sect. 1 Mademoiselle Francois O. Brussels COA Monsieur Francois L. J. B. Lanaeken Sect. 2 Madame Frenay-Derache L. Liége Sect. 1 Monsieur Ghislain A. Hornu Sect. 1 Monsieur Goedhuys T. Courtrai Sect. 1 Monsieur Grandprez C. Stavelot Sect. 2 Mademoiselle Grandprez E. Stavelot Sect. 2 Monsieur Gregoire A. Stavelot Sect. 2 Monsieur Hanselaer A. Zele Sect. 2 Monsieur Heirman T. St Nicholas-Waes Sect. 2 Monsieur Henrot C. Herstal Sect. 2 Monsieur Heynen N. Wardin COA Monsieur Hofman M. A. Courtrai Sect. 1 Monsieur Hofman A. J. Antwerp Sect. 2 Monsieur Honore E. A. J. Marcinelle Sect. 2 Monsieur Hoste C. Oost-Eecloo Sect. 1 Monsieur Jacqmin J. Hal Sect. 1 Monsieur Jespers J. Antwerp Sect. 2 Madame Julien-Mommens M. Couillet Sect. 2 Monsieur Knapen P. Bruges Sect. 1 Monsieur Kricke P. A. P. Gand Sect. 2 Monsieur Laurent C. Roisin Sect. 1 Monsieur Leemans J. Lierre Sect. 1 Monsieur Lefevre L. A. O. La Louvière Sect. 2 Monsieur Lefèvre M. J. E. Molenbeek St Jean Sect. 2 Monsieur Legay J. Cuesmes Sect. 1 Monsieur Lelarge J. Renory Ougrée Sect. 2 Monsieur Lelarge O. Wanze Sect. 1 Monsieur Lemmens E. Liége Sect. 2 Monsieur Lenders J. Liége Sect. 1 Monsieur Leroy J. J. Antwerp Sect. 2 Monsieur Logiest J. Gentbrugge Sect. 1 Monsieur Loncke J. St Nicolas Sect. 1 Madame Machiels-Van Dyck C. Esschen Sect. 2 Monsieur Maes T. Tamise Sect. 1 Monsieur Massart Jean Floreffe COA Monsieur Massy F. Hasselt Sect. 1 Monsieur Materne E. M. J. Liége Sect. 2 Monsieur Maton A. Boussu Sect. 1 Monsieur Mattdys A. Thielt Sect. 1 Monsieur Meired J. E. Rochefort Sect. 1 Monsieur Merjay Franz Ixelles Sect. 1 Monsieur Mertens D. Héverlé Sect. 1 Monsieur Miguet A. Fexhe-le-Haut Clooher Sect. 2 Monsieur Montfort J. H. C. Liége Sect. 1 Monsieur Moons PAbbé F. H. Winxelle-Delle Sect. 2 Monsieur Muller L. Tournai COA Monsieur Naelaerts A. C. Antwerp Sect. 2 Monsieur l'Abbé Nicks J. E. J. Bastogne COA Monsieur Parente C. G. Cureghem Sect. 2 Monsieur Peiffer P. Liége Sect. 1 Monsieur Peirs C. Gand Sect. 1 Mademoiselle Petit G. Molembeek St Jean Sect. 1 Monsieur Pluymackers J. Liége Sect. 2 Monsieur Pollet A. Manage Sect. 1 Mademoiselle Rameloo L. Bouchaute Sect. 1 Monsieur Richter A. Ougrée Sect. 2 Monsieur Riviere A. Bruges Sect. 1 Monsieur Roels L. Sotteghem Sect. 1 Monsieur Sabbé R. A. Waereghem Sect. 1 Mademoiselle Schatteman E. Heydinghe Sect. 1 Monsieur Segers P. J. Reckheim Sect. 2 Monsieur Servais A. J. Montigny-le-Tilleul Sect. 1 Monsieur Simon C. Namur Sect. 1 Monsieur Simonet C. Mons Sect. 1 Monsieur Siquet H. Verviers Sect. 2 Monsieur Smal E. Dison Verviers Sect. 2 Monsieur Smeesters Augustin Landen Sect. 1 Monsieur Smeesters Augustin (Fils) Landen Sect. 1 Monsieur Smekens A. T. Brussels Sect. 1 Monsieur Spelier G. C. Cappellen Sect. 2 Monsieur Stevigny E. St Trond Sect. 1 Monsieur Tasset J. Neerpelt Sect. 1 Monsieur Trouillet A. Roisin Sect. 1 Monsieur Trulin L. Lille Sect. 1 Monsieur Uytebroeck I. Héverlé Sect. 1 Monsieur Van Bergen H. G. Brussels Sect. 2 Monsieur Van Buynder C. Tamise Sect. 1 Monsieur Van De Velde C. J. Courtrai Sect. 1 Monsieur Van De Velde P. Antwerp Sect. 1 Monsieur Van De Woestyne E. Eecloo Sect. 1 Monsieur Van de Woestyne E. Eecloo Sect. 1 Monsieur Van Der Coilden A. Herseaux Sect. 1 Monsieur Van der Meersch C. J. Gand Sect. 1 Monsieur Van Eecke R. Bruges Sect. 1 Monsieur Van Eecke L. Bruges Sect. 1 Monsieur Van Gaever A. Antwerp Sect. 2 Monsieur Van Hecke A. Antwerp Sect. 2 Monsieur Van Hoffelen L. Liége Sect. 2 Monsieur Van Hove J. F. Brussels Cureghem Sect. 2 Monsieur Van Keirsbilk A. Thielt Sect. 1 Monsieur Van Quikelborne P. F. B. Gentbrugge Sect. 1 Monsieur Van Thielen J. Poppel Sect. 1 Monsieur Van Veirdeghem E. Aeltre Sect. 1 Monsieur Van Vlaenderen I. Meuleken Sect. 1 Monsieur Vercoutere E.. Tournai Sect. 1 Monsieur Vergeylen F. J. Louvain Sect. 2 Monsieur Vermeersch Alphonse Thielt Sect. 1 Monsieur Verschraegen C. Moerbeke-Waes Sect. 2 Monsieur Verschraegen E. Moerbeke-Waes Sect. 2 Monsieur Verschuere A. Deerlyck Sect. 1 Monsieur Verschuere O. A. Waeregem Sect. 1 Monsieur Waegenaer G. Selzaete Sect. 1 Monsieur Wanty J. Turnhout Sect. 1 Monsieur Watdelet H. Nandrin Sect. 2 Monsieur Wattiez A. F. J. Braine-le-Comte Sect. 2 Monsieur Wautdy J. M. Wez Sect. 1

Edited January 30, 2013 by azyeoman

[azyeoman]

I believe that Charlotte was his wife and Renee was his daughter.

[love4history]

Hello Azyeoman. Did you get the PM I sent you concerning the matter?

[azyeoman]

Hello Azyeoman. Did you get the PM I sent you concerning the matter?

Hi Love4history,

Yes, and have replied. : ) Cheers,