KM-SPAIN Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I would like to show you one of my collection favorite items, a ship clock with the name on the dial, "Flottentender Gazelle". It has a Junghans movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-SPAIN Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 Dial detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinrik Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Eduardo,Another beautiful item in your KM collection. What have you found out about the name?RegardsHinrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-SPAIN Posted February 19, 2006 Author Share Posted February 19, 2006 Hirik, Ihave looked for information about this vessel for a long time, but until now the only thing that I know about this small ship is that it was the "Flottentender Hela" until 30/12/1938 when was renamed to "Flottentender Gazelle", I have no pictures of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinrik Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Eduardo,Here you go my friend:Flottentender Gazelle Photo from a postcard.I will e-mail you where you can buy it for 25 euros.RegardsHinrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinrik Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 I am on a roll....here is it as Hela, showing the Imperial flag, and painted in dark colors: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-SPAIN Posted February 19, 2006 Author Share Posted February 19, 2006 Thanks a lot Hinrik, first one is a really nice picture, and I will take it. If you find a cap tally from this ship you will be the best.Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinrik Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Eduardo,Did you not get the E-bay Germany link that I e-mailed to you?Hinrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Well, I hope this will make you even happier with this nice clock (does it still run?)--According to Erich Gr?ner, Peter Mickel, Franz Mrva, Dieter Jung, and Martin Maass, "German Warships 1815-1945, Volume 2: U-Boats and Mine Warfare Vessels" (1985 British translation of the German edition)--"Gazelle" was originally the 1919 " M135," (renamed on 2 January 1939 from "Hela") and was renamed AGAIN on 1 October 1940-- so it was "Gazelle" for not quite 2 years!!!!-- to "M 535."It served as a minesweeper for the rest of the war, and was kept on in the German Minesweeping Administration after the surrender in 1945. But on 8 February 1946 it was claimed by the Soviet Union as war reparations and became part of the Soviet Navyrenamed AGAIN as "Desna" and AGAIN in 1951 as "Venta." It was finally scrapped some time in the 1960s.SIX names, TWO navies... and more than 40 years of service! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-SPAIN Posted February 19, 2006 Author Share Posted February 19, 2006 Hinrik, I have the link to the picture, thanks.Rick, thanks for your information, a long and intense history for this small ship.Clock now runs perfectly afther the perfect work of one of the best watchmakers of Spain than requested to Junhans some original pieces to repair it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Very nice item. Congratulations on adding it to your collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-SPAIN Posted October 4, 2008 Author Share Posted October 4, 2008 Well, I hope this will make you even happier with this nice clock (does it still run?)--According to Erich Gr?ner, Peter Mickel, Franz Mrva, Dieter Jung, and Martin Maass, "German Warships 1815-1945, Volume 2: U-Boats and Mine Warfare Vessels" (1985 British translation of the German edition)--"Gazelle" was originally the 1919 " M135," (renamed on 2 January 1939 from "Hela") and was renamed AGAIN on 1 October 1940-- so it was "Gazelle" for not quite 2 years!!!!-- to "M 535."It served as a minesweeper for the rest of the war, and was kept on in the German Minesweeping Administration after the surrender in 1945. But on 8 February 1946 it was claimed by the Soviet Union as war reparations and became part of the Soviet Navyrenamed AGAIN as "Desna" and AGAIN in 1951 as "Venta." It was finally scrapped some time in the 1960s.SIX names, TWO navies... and more than 40 years of service!Hello all, I have found some pictures from a Gazelle crew man, and in some of the pictures you can see a sign dated in 1943, so how is this possible if the vessel was renamed in 1940? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavalMark Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 A very nice clock, may i ask from which material the white disk with the cyphers and the ships name is made from ? Best regardsCSForrester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-SPAIN Posted October 4, 2008 Author Share Posted October 4, 2008 The dial looks like a hard lacquered press paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavalMark Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 A very nice clock, may i ask from which material the white disk with the cyphers and the ships name is made from ? Best regardsCSForresterThat is what i meant to see. And you are shure that the dial is not a modern print added to a civilian/merchant ship - clock ? The material, the sharpless print, the name of the ship ....... very uncommon. There are a lot of added dials arround ........................ RegardsCSForrester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-SPAIN Posted October 4, 2008 Author Share Posted October 4, 2008 IMO is a original one, I found it many years ago in an antic shop and it was repaired by one of the best watchmakers of Spain. If this vessel was a pre-WW2 one, is normal than when she was renamed in 1939 the dial of the ship clock was covered with KM-new name. Anyway I know that is not the usual Km clock,but I had never hear about Gazelle bfore, and is difficult for me imagine that somebody make a fake of a vessel as rare as this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavalMark Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Hello Ricardo,the chronometer is shure a nice Junghans and the clock-maker did a good job. But i see no chance for the dial. I have seen a lot of Kriegsmarine-chronometers - but never with a paper-/cardboard dial, always with metal dials with etched or stamped eagle and registration-number and with arabic numbers not roman.This is a nice phantasy-product. Basic an english or american dial (see "F" and "S" for faster and slower), in combination with an eagle used on documents and the name with " ".Why Gazelle ? Graf Spee or Gorch Fock would produce a lot of doubts at once, i think.I think you should post it in the Wehrmacht Award Forum to hear more opinions.Best RegardsNavalMark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-SPAIN Posted October 4, 2008 Author Share Posted October 4, 2008 (edited) Hi, I have also seen many KM clock, and you are right about the dial, is rare. About the F-S is very usual in the german stopwatches and clocks movements, so IMO is not rare. The 99,9999999999% of the people don't know nothing about Fottentender Gazelle, so is almost impossible that nobody used it to faked a clock. When I told you that one of the best watchmakers of Spain repared it, I mean that he told me that for him it was original, even the dial.I'm happy with it, but anyway thanks for our comments. Edited October 4, 2008 by KM-SPAIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Out of curiosity Eduardo, could you post an image of the clock's movement, that is, the internal hardware? I do not think it is very difficult to take the case off so we could look at that part of this interesting puzzle.If it is a problem, not a big deal, but clock movements can be keys to resolving such issues.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-SPAIN Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 Hi John, I'm sure that is not difficult to open it to show the movement, but you have to do by the front side and take apart the dial, so I prefer do not touch it too much because I'm not sure how to do it. The watchmakers that repared it told me that it hs a Junhansmovement from the 20s and he asked to Junhans for some original pieces to repair it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Let me work on that bit of information then and see what I can find. Probably right, not that easy to take it apart. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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