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Austro-Hungarian gerbirgsjager cap, Karl era, and strap

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It's show and tell for my hats, and this poor puppy, mothed, dirty from use and wear, has such character that I have always kept it. It was bought for me in the UK by a close friend, who got to the militaria show late...this hat was deemed so trashed by the south-east UK collector community that no one would even ask about it. So it became a gift, the shoulder strap was something that came in a large collection and is, I believe, correct for this piece of headgear, at least the piping is the same and the Karl cypher dates it to the same late war period. Yes, dirty and beat up, but likely worn high up in the mountains while fighting one of the numerous battles with Italy...it has a good story.

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Personally, I prefer the "worn" look. An almost new cap has no character in my opinion. And likely no stories.

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This is a very cool cap...but it's origin is not Austrian. Austro-hungarian caps are my specialty and I have seen photos of literally hundreds of existing examples and I have never seen one with this type of piping. It looks more like a WWI Bavarian ski cap. The edelweiss also is more of a WWII pattern. WWI Austrian edelweiss, when it has leaves, had three, not two. I am not saying this is a put together piece...but if all original...I think the edelweiss and Austrian officers cockade have been added some time before you got it by someone who thought it was Austrian.

Can you post photos of the right side of the cap and also the inside? I would love to see and it would maybe help to solve the mystery.

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After doing a little research...I think I have figured out this cap. While it looks somewhat like a WWI German ski troops cap, I believe it is a German or perhaps Austrian foresters cap from the WWI era to maybe the early 1930's.

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Attached is a photo of a similar cap sold as a WW2 period M42 German foresters cap...

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Hello .the beatiful cap looks for me, as a Wurtemburgische gebirgsbataillon one . flat topped and with green piping . the forsters green of WW1 era was darker (piping ) and a light greengrey , the uniform .

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ID: 7   Posted (edited)

Hello!

The Württemberg cap only had pipings on the top of the cap and a cloth visor. Bavarian caps had a black piping on the top and a kind of fibreglass visor.

I don´t know, which cap we see here, maybe a self-made one for officers (Eigentumsstück)

The cocade is an austrian officers cocade witht the K  (worn since february 28, 1917 for Kaiser Karl). The shoulder strap is from the austian-hungarian Landwehr-Gebirgstruppen.

The Edelweiß is not an austrian one. German troops didn´t have Edelweisse with stalks. If germans wore them, they used austrian ones. But austrians looked different to the one at this cap! Here we have a german WW2 Edelweiß (if it has four holes to sew on)

I attached an austrian (above) and a Wehrmacht Edelweiß (bottom)

Edelweiß_(Kragenabzeichen_XIV.AK_links_).JPG

Edelweiß_Wehrmacht_goldene_Pollen.JPG

Edited by The Prussian

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The Prussian : You have reason ,the WGB cap was piped on the top only .the mutze remains incognita . 

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Note the "button-strap". It´s round. I haven´t seen that before. And austrian field-caps didin´t have any pipings.

Either it´s a cap of own property with pipings, or it´s a "collection" of an unknown green-piped cap with a WW2 Edelweiß.

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The Prussian : Yes ,the button strap is uncommon and also appears as it have originally one button and not two. 

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The cap could certainly be Austrian or Bavarian, but is is not military. I agree the edelweiss post WW1 and most likely German. The cap was made with two button holes. Yes, it is hard to see the lower button hole thread, but is must be there. No tailor would have made a cap with a single hole that was off center in that way.

It's a very interesting cap, but neither the cockade or the shoulder strap are appropriate to the display.

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