Deruelle Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 or here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share Posted June 20, 2013 Great a new name for a 1st Class 1918 Libert Cross , thats not often and I never heard of Louis Leisler Kiep before An great ribbon bars there Christophe , it looks like the swords are gold on the last one probably meaning a third class 1918. I will soon be back with more names of Germans ! Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misiu Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Hi, here is another pic of Louis Leisler Kiep. Colored and with all (?) his awards...look at the great miniatyre bar + the Order of Liberty. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted June 20, 2013 Author Share Posted June 20, 2013 Liberty Cross 1st Class 1918 35 awarded of those to Germans ? Werner Crantz Ernst von Hülsen Hauptmann Walter Isendahl Admiral Louis Leisler Kiep von Luck Oberst Leutn RIR 225 Anyone knows any others ? Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I am very glad to learn that Korvettenkapitän/Hessischer DRK Präsident Kiep's unique bar has found a HOME to STAY in. You will never get anoher bar like that--no one will. Treasure it. I don't have his death date-- alive in 1960, dead by 1963 when his widow Eugenie vom Rath was listed alone in the MOH eV directory. He had a singularly non-descript career before the war, racking up almost all those awards from the taking of the Baltic islands into the war of Finnish liberation. His ejection from the boards of the Hamburg-Amerkia Line and Norddeutscher Lloyd over his disagreement about removing Albert Ballin's portrait from the HaPag boardroom--even though Kiep was then a Nazi--and his subsequent life in Turkey and wartime Germany and afterwards are all worthy of a biography. That's what get Research Gnomes interested in such bars. A REAL LIFE is displayed there... "anonymously." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Liberty Cross 1st Class without Swords 1918 awarded to Germans ? ? a handful at most Lothar August von Brück Diplomat Von Kühlman ? Arthur Zimmermann Diplomat and Fürst Hohenlohe Austrian Diplomat ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Liberty Cross 2nd Class w oakleaves 1941 - None awarded to Germans as far as I know Liberrty Cross 2nd Class w swords 1918 - How many to Germans ?? I have names of 22 to Germans names coming ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) "FFK2X 1918" = 102 to Germans of the 271 awarded. Unfortunately I am not authorized to release their names--actually hoping to get the 3rd and 4th Classes and THEN be able to do so, through the Finnish researcher doing these "at home." 59 navy officers, 1 Marine infantry, 2 Saxon officers, 1 Bavarian officer, and 39 "Prussian" officers. I can confirm SPECIFIC names, but with research in progress by another party, that's all I can share. I was contacted because the Finnish archives managed to bungle many of the German NAMES by... altering them into Finnish phonetics and apparently in Finnish--at least as recorded--rank titles do not distinguish between naval and army (Kapitänleutnant versus Hauptmann/Rittmeister etc) so I was contacted for my usual detective work. There are still a couple (oh how I love "Schmidt"-types!) who remain unidentifiable for the distorted record-keeping reasons. Just names (altered) and ranks (weirdly recorde) and date of award. (Why they were simply not recorded EXACTLY AS SPELLED.... ) PS No ROLLS--all are on individual index cards. Makes it far harder to accumulate data. Edited June 21, 2013 by Rick Research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signalcorps45 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Rick, I was hoping you would get the 4th class rolls. I wanted to try to ID this bar, but it is probably to common. Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Alas yes. Simply beautiful bar. Probably a senior reserve NCO at the time since no long service and officers--even mere Leutnants in 1918--tended to get 3rd Classes. There were 8,243 "FFK4X" (I'm using an imaginary German Rank List-speak abbreviation, since no German rank list ever showed these) BUT in ALL classes only 1,239 Crosses of Liberty 1918 to Germans. Deduct 102 from 2nd Classes, and the miniscule number of 1st Classes, and that leaves in the neighborhood of just over a thousand 3rd AND 4th classes. I'd suspect slightly fewer 4ths than 3rds. Soooo, say "550" each, guesstimating FFK3Xs and FFK4Xs to Germans for 1918. Sweet AND rare. Has the 1918 War Medal got the original issue Swedish Sporrong & Co. markings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signalcorps45 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Rick, Thank you for looking at it. I thought would be close to impossible to ID this bar, but I wanted to try. Thanks Rick........ Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyanacek Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I was hoping you would get the 4th class rolls. I wanted to try to ID this bar, but it is probably to common. Dean Hi Dean, Very nice four-placer. Here is one that I have but, again, it is too common of a grouping to make an ID. I was really happy to get this bar, though, especially since it came with the deluxe fitted case by Godet. Best regards, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyanacek Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 More pictures: The Hindenburg Cross is neat, too, as it was made by Paul Küst of Berlin. It's actually the first one of these I've seen. Best regards, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyanacek Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Paul Küst logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signalcorps45 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Hey Tom, I figured that this bar was too common to ID, but I thought I would try anyways. Here is another bar with a finnish award. Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Hopefully the research about Finnish awards will be published in some way, otherwise it will be lost with the researcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikko13 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 We should not only focus on WW1 - let us mix a little bit. Here is sth from WW2 - Christer already mentioned Rudolf Gercke, General der Infanterie. Here is his Finnish set. So if someone is publishing a book about Finnish awards etc - ask me for better pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 1941s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Thats a fantastic piece Mikko ! One of the nicest I´ve seen Even if reserach going on I give a couple of more names just to check if I´m right Liberty Cross 1st Class without Swords with Breast Star 1918 2 awarded Lauri J Ingman Pehr E Svinhufvud Both Finnish Politicians. One thing I learned the last days is that my numbers for awarded Liberty Crosses is far to low I thought there where only 509 3rd class 1918 awarded but the real numbers must be more than 1000 ! Also 2nd Class 1918 I thought 152 awarded but the real numbers is closer to 300 , they are not so rare as I thought. The same goes probably for 4th class , I already seen that I have more names for 4th classes wo X and with Red Cross then I thought was awarded in total. It will be interesting to see the final numbers someday. Christer Edited June 22, 2013 by christerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Finnish award document to a german Leutnant Wegener from Jäger Batl. 14 2. MG Kompanie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 German award document to Leutnant Wegener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Himself with ribbon bar and Mecklenburger Militärverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse Baltenkreuz and Schwarzes Armeekreuz der russischen freiwilligen Westarmee Fürst Awaloff Bermondt Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 Great Pic Andreas ! Thanks A new name to my list of FFrK III x 1918 Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerd Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 Maybe a little off topic but I thought I must show you this pic of one of the " soldiers " who fought and died in the war in Finland 1918 The Swedish boy Styrbjorn von Stedingk was just 16 years and 10 months when he was killed during the assault on Tammerfors in April 1918, a sad reminder of the price we pay for freedom. Here he is in his scout uniform. 340 Swedish soldiers joined the the attack on Tammerfors and 37 of them stayed on the battlefield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Great Pic Andreas ! Thanks A new name to my list of FFrK III x 1918 Christer Hello Christer, here his award document for the Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation, 1918 may be You can add it to Your list too ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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