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Since these are red, what German state to these belong to? Did officers wear the marksmanship lanyards? It is a great looking set of insignia.

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Nice set love the tag

Eric

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Chris,

These are the early pattern subdued boards. He must have been promoted early on, as the unit was formed at the end of 1914 and this pattern was replaced (on paper at least) with the 9/21/1915 regulations. Very nice!

Chip

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I know that Bavaria used blue and Saxon used green. Which state used the red, as seen here?

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I thought all used the same except the Bavarians.

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I thought all used the same except the Bavarians.

Hello ccj:

The book "Uniformen der Deutschen Infanterie 1888 bis 1914 in Farbe " by R.Herrmann, J, Nguyen and R. Bernert ( Uniforms of the German infantry 1888 to 1914 in color)from 2003 lists Bavaria as the only exception to the colors of the markmanship lanyards. When these lanyards were instituted by Emperor Wilhelm II in 1894 they were to bear the Imperial colors of Germany, Black, White and Red. However Bavaria used the Bavarian colors of white/blue while the grades' distinctions were identical. With the 5th class the rosettes had gold colored metal medallions displaying the cyphers of the reigning monarchs (Prussia, Wuerttemberg and Saxony) while Bavaria used their kingdom's heraldic insignia.

As an aside: Bavaria was able to gain certain exceptions pertaining to their military when the 2nd German Reich was formed in 1871. I believe they maintained their own General Staff and War Ministry for example.

Bernhard H. Holst

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I thought that green was used on the Saxon shoulder board underlay.

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Paul,

Regarding shoulder boards, the color of the underlay has nothing to do with the state. The colors, depending on the model, can indicate a corps color, a traditional regimental facing color or a branch color. The state is normally indicated by the color of the darts (Faden) or threads in the cording. Green or green/white would be for Saxony, blue or blue/white for Bavarian and so forth. In the case of the RIR.263 the color of the underlay is red because the unit was formed in the IV.Armee Korps, which had red for the corps color. The color of the darts are black, indicating that the unit is Prussian.

Chip

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So I am guessing he was Vizefeldwebel, got the company doftag with "1" , was then promoted Lt. d. L. and maybe/probably changed companies...

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I wonder if "1" means anything more than that he was first to receive his dog-tag. Does it have anything to do with rank / seniority?

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Usually the tags are done according to the company roll. Company roll starting with the Highest NCO, then going down in rank, each rank with the names in alphabetical order. So usually the 1 would be the top dog NCO of the company.

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Chris

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Here is the rest of the group..... he is a typical career NCO who then became a civil servant.... he never lost a paper....jod1.thumb.jpg.ac7928ddc4ca0056cea8ed28b1de0c3d.jpgjod2.thumb.jpg.9a6fdc5b083f89f9d19d48ef665ded1b.jpgjod3.thumb.jpg.f8b25eb8a9707e015e642247268dff88.jpgjod4.thumb.jpg.760e1aeab5ca498f10f21fd9d4f6ee65.jpgjod5.thumb.jpg.9370702f0ee0b8b8439020c4fc00a5ca.jpg

lookit the nose hair.....jod6.thumb.jpg.2951fedafdd9bfc5c672bb427ab4de65.jpg

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On 05/07/2013 at 21:17, Bernhard H.Holst said:

Hello ccj:

The book "Uniformen der Deutschen Infanterie 1888 bis 1914 in Farbe " by R.Herrmann, J, Nguyen and R. Bernert ( Uniforms of the German infantry 1888 to 1914 in color)from 2003 lists Bavaria as the only exception to the colors of the markmanship lanyards. When these lanyards were instituted by Emperor Wilhelm II in 1894 they were to bear the Imperial colors of Germany, Black, White and Red. However Bavaria used the Bavarian colors of white/blue while the grades' distinctions were identical. With the 5th class the rosettes had gold colored metal medallions displaying the cyphers of the reigning monarchs (Prussia, Wuerttemberg and Saxony) while Bavaria used their kingdom's heraldic insignia.

As an aside: Bavaria was able to gain certain exceptions pertaining to their military when the 2nd German Reich was formed in 1871. I believe they maintained their own General Staff and War Ministry for example.

Bernhard H. Holst

Hello ,Bavaria retained many prerrogatives about her Army. in fact it was an indenpendent Army . the Koniiglich Bayerisch Army was organized in three Army Corps numbered apart . The supreme commander of Bavarian Army was the King of Bavaria. assisted by his War Minister and Staff. 

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7 hours ago, Bayern said:

Hello ,Bavaria retained many prerrogatives about her Army. in fact it was an indenpendent Army . the Koniiglich Bayerisch Army was organized in three Army Corps numbered apart . The supreme commander of Bavarian Army was the King of Bavaria. assisted by his War Minister and Staff. 

Hi,

this is true only during peace time as far as I know.

GreyC

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Hello, Yes , but at the beggining of the war the Bavarian Army , of three Corps ,a Reserve Corps and a Cavalry Division fought as a whole into the 6th Army . from the autumm of 1914 onwards this identity was slowly desintegrating. but never the Bavarian spirit of self determination decayed .

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