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Different types of Yugoslav Order of Bravery

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Thanks Gunner, I did not know that even the boxes for the Soviet made decorations were "numbered".

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Newest addition, Yugoslav 1st type IKOM with pretty low number 10848, 2nd lowest I've seen so far. I said before that I suspect they started from 10K.

Notice the soldering on the suspension ring (2nd photo).

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IKOM with lower number (10740) that got sold last year.
Soldering on the suspension ring can be seen on this example as well...

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ZIN, so far the highest number I've seen!
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Sometimes you can read comments that examples with such a huge numbers are from storage because there were around 120.000 of them awarded. That's not the case with this one because it came with a document, it was awarded in 1953. But we also know that decorations unfortunately weren't issued according to their number.
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After doing some further research I came to a conclusion that the earliest Yugoslav Bravery Orders ("numbered IKOM type") were actually made by ZIN. On the other hand "ZIN numbered type" was most likely made by IKOM. Everything I wrote before in this topic is based on online sources, especially Sammler's base, and "forum knowledge" if I may use that term.

One day I noticed similarities between numbers stamped on the back side of what we thought is IKOM's Bravery order and early (low number) Order of Merits for the People made by ZIN. After that I compared all 10 figures and there's no doubt that they are absolutely the same. So either both factories used the same numbers (which didn't seem very likely to me) either that type of Bravery Order was actually made by ZIN. 

Looking for material to back up my claims I checked Rudež's book in which one can read the following:
"The production of Orders and Medals for Bravery was organized in the second half of 1945 by ZIN Belgrade, and after that by IKOM Zagreb... Bravery Orders made in USSR and orders made by ZIN have serial numbers on reverse while orders made by IKOM don't have any markings on the back side."

Now here's the puzzle, same thing goes for the "ZIN numbered type" and IKOM made Partisan stars, numbers on their back sides are pretty much the same (bear in mind that there are two different types of numbers on Partisan stars).

I'll try to post comparisons and some more information tomorrow.

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I'll start by posting photos of orders I used for the comparison.
First Bravery Order.
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Order of Merits for the People 3rd class, first type, low numbers, wider screw nut with Cyrillic inscription "ЗАВОД ЗА ИЗРАДУ НОВЧАНИЦА". Third image is from ebay, fourth one is from Sammler's base.
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Number 1 - Bravery: 10848,16882; Merits: 1932
Number 2 - Bravery: 16882, 54927; Merits: 1932
Number 3 - Bravery: 34854; Merits: 1932
Number 4 - Bravery: 10848, 34854, 54927; Merits: 5454
Number 5 - Bravery: 34854, 54927; Merits: 5454, 7657
Number 6 - Bravery: 6882; Merits: 7657;
Number 7 - Bravery: 54927; Merits: 7657;
Number 8 - Bravery: 10848,16882, 34854; Merits 1814;
Number 9 - Bravery: 54927; Merits: 1932
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Here's one more comparison I made a few seconds ago. 
Partisan Star 3rd Class made by IKOM versus "Numbered ZIN" Bravery Order.
This is one of the reasons why I think those Bravery Orders were actually made by IKOM!
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I'd like to start from the beginning and go through all variations of the order with corrected information especially because most of the images I used before are no longer visible.
I'm having troubles making a complete classification of the Yugoslav decorations because there are so many different variants of certain orders. Here's what I came up with when it comes to this particular decoration. In order to simplify things I divided them in two main types, Soviet and Yugoslav.

Type 1 (Soviet production)

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Type 2.1 (Yugoslav production, numbered ZIN)

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Type 2.2 (Yugoslav production, numbered IKOM)

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Type 2.3 (Yugoslav production, unnumbered ZIN!)

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Photos found on Sammler, I'll explain later why I think this order was made by ZIN and not IKOM.

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Type 2.4 (Yugoslav production, unnumbered IKOM)

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Type 2.5 (Yugoslav production, gilded unnumbered IKOM)

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So all in all 2 types and 5 variants of the Yugoslav type. There are some variations of the Yugoslav type which I didn't include in the list, perhaps later when I gather enough material. 

Type 1 (Soviet production)
Type 2.1 (Yugoslav production, numbered ZIN)
Type 2.2 (Yugoslav production, numbered IKOM)
Type 2.3 (Yugoslav production, unnumbered ZIN)
Type 2.4 (Yugoslav production, unnumbered IKOM)
Type 2.5 (Yugoslav production, gilded unnumbered IKOM)

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Now back to that unnumbered ZIN.
First row: Numbered IKOM
Second row: 1 Unnumbered IKOM; 2 Gilded Unnumbered IKOM; 3 Unnumbered ZIN
Third row: Numbered ZIN
Some details are different, for example notice how orders made by IKOM (all three variants!) have very visible pattern in the lower part of the front side. Third order in the second row is obviously different and so are all of the ZIN made pieces from the third row.

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Lovely pics of a great looking order!

I'm curious whether it is possible to know a recipient by the order's number without having a documentation. I have one numbered 33,589.

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Unfortunately I don't think so. I've never tried to do something like that through the "official channels" but then again I've never heard that anyone succeeded. Also there were rumors that the archive of the Chancellery of Orders was destroyed.

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That's too bad. It would be pretty interesting to research Yugoslav orders by number like Soviet ones. It would definately add even more history to the item itself.

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Perhaps one day that would be possible, provided that the archive survived...

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I've acquired the Soviet made version of this Order recently so I've decided to put a photo of all the pieces that I have at the moment.

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