sabrigade Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I have had this group in my collection for a few years and could not confirm whether the recipient had served and seen action at the Battle of Sandfontein during the German South West Africa campaign in World War one. "Coloured Constable" Hanns did not appear on the official casualty list that was submitted after the battle and his World War 1 service card could not be found at the archives. This service has subsequently been confirmed as a researcher managed to find the service card pertaining to him. Constable Hanns was made a Prisoner of War on 26 September 1914 at the Battle of Sandfontein and was only released by his German captors on 6 July 1915. I think that this new research makes it a very special and rare medal group as medals named and issued to South Africans of other races for World War one service are not common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrigade Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 347+Nat+Const+Clement+Hanns+1+SAMR+S.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrigade Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 1914-15 STAR NAMED REVERSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrigade Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 BRITISH WAR MEDAL 1914 - 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 That is indeed a find!! When i was in the archives there was a huge ledger will all the GSWA POWs, Wounded etc. etc.... i ordered it by chance, apparently noone has been able to find it in the order lists, I cannot remember what it was exactly listed under, but i think there was a provost Marchall collection on GSWA and it was in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrigade Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 VICTORY MEDAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrigade Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 SOUTH AFRICA POLICE GOOD SERVICE MEDAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 That is one fantastic group. I would imagine as a coloured P.O.W. he probably had a rough time at the hands of his captors.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 That is one fantastic group. I would imagine as a coloured P.O.W. he probably had a rough time at the hands of his captors. Paul Paul I'm not sure about that - genuine question. The Germans had black troops and at least one black soldier served in a German regiment in WWI - I think his photo came up recently somewhere in the GMIC - so perhaps he's have been ok. I would hope and assume that WWI Germans in the colonies had a somewhat different take on the 'other races' than did the Nazis and their ilk in the '30s & '40s. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Hendey Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Will Thank you for showing a great and very rare medal group. One of my collecting themes has been 'medals to other races' in a South African context and I have found their representation to be very variable indeed, ranging from nothing to fair. Peter It is my impression that, unlike the British, the Germans were very firm Colonial masters, so subjects who stepped out of line were unlikely to repeat their transgressions. I do not have the details to hand, but apparently a rebellion in GSWA in the early 1900's was brutally put down. I expect that, if Constable Hanns behaved himself and kept a low profile, he would not have been ill-treated. Regards Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Brett Your impressions math my own but, as you say, a well ordered POW would probably have been ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 "I do not have the details to hand, but apparently a rebellion in GSWA in the early 1900's was brutally put down."Brett you are referring to the Herero and Namaqua rebellions 1904-07 the suppression of which ranks along with the Congo Free state as one of the blackest incidents in European colonial history in Africa.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Hendey Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Yes indeed, Paul! Regards Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrigade Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 I believe that all the South African P.O.W.s had a difficult time due to the arduous conditions and type of campaign that took place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 The German POWs after the campaign were rather displeased about conditions as well... it was not easy for either side.... Wi,, you Gerber group, Gerber was officer at the POW camp in Aus after his time in GEA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka f Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 There is some research going on (on a Belgian WWI forum!)about Congolese natives who fought with the Belgians during WWI at the Yser. Must be intresting to know theyre history too. Not all ended in a Freikorps; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrigade Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 Thanks Chris, I also have the group to a Captain Coxwell, a Mafeking defender, who was the adjutant at the P.O.W. camp in Pietermaritzburg for officers. I need to do more research on Gerber. Regards, Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 There is some research going on (on a Belgian WWI forum!)about Congolese natives who fought with the Belgians during WWI at the Yser.Must be intresting to know theyre history too.Not all ended in a Freikorps;I would very much like to see that information. Do you have a link to the web site, Stuka?Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka f Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I wll have to look for it! Only problem will be the language! it is in Flemish! Cheers |<ris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka f Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I didn't know the book was all ready released since last month. But like i said it is in Flemish, so here I what I can give you; http://www.wpg.be/boeken/kunst-en-cultuur/isbn/9789002251962/congo-aan-den-yser/ cheers |<ris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azyeoman Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 "I do not have the details to hand, but apparently a rebellion in GSWA in the early 1900's was brutally put down."Brett you are referring to the Herero and Namaqua rebellions 1904-07 the suppression of which ranks along with the Congo Free state as one of the blackest incidents in European colonial history in Africa.Paul There's an excellent book on it entitled The Kaiser's Holocaust by Olusoga and Erichsen. A must read on genocide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian conyngham Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Guys POW Medals to the GSWA campaign are rare from what I can work out, I as a few of you know keep a look out for these and all I have is a single Victory medal to a Pte A C Mack 6th Mounted Rifles, been on the look out for his other medals for around 10 years. Will a great group and thanks for posting! Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrigade Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Thanks Brian,They do come up but research is obviously paramount.This is another Sandfontein P.O.W. in the collection, he does appear on the official casualty return after the battle.Regards,Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Stuka Flemish language let's me out. One of the things I mean to do, right after I finish mastering Basque, is to brush up on my Flemish. Thank for the info. anyway. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka f Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Hey Peter, ...and you (and the author!) might not like my translation!! ;-) any time! Cheers |<ris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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