AlexHK Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Dear collectors, We are looking at archives and writen records of a family members of ours whom received the St George cross in 1916 or 1917. Would there be writen records - accessible - of the order recipients in Russia ? Thanks you for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Hello AlexHK; Welcome to GMIC. You have come to the right place. Regarding your question; I don't know if anyone has the complete list of recipients at there disposal. Certain award classes and serial numbers are possible, but with this kind of research it is best to start with what, specifically, you do know/have. 1) What is the name of the family member? 2) Is there a photo of your family member wearing it? Please post photos of it. 3) Do you have the St. George cross? Please post photos, front and back. 4) any other documents or letters from the family member? Please post them. This will help the knowledgeable members on this forum to give you the best answers. They are almost ALWAYS able to tell you something that you didn't know before. Regards, Claudius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Would there be writen records - accessible - of the order recipients in Russia ? Very few. Some of them are herehttp://kdkv.narod.ru/92/GK-WW1.html#28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 + http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/10073 http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/10074 http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/11178 http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/11671 http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/11674 http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/11680 http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/13083 http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/11676 http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/11678 http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/10074 http://www.history-ryazan.ru/node/13464 etc .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHK Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Thanks to both of you. Everything has been lost and we do not have pix of him wearing the cross. only a few years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIR Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hello, I'm looking at archives or/and writen records of members of the St George cross arround 1797 - 1816. Thanks you for your help and best regards, Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 You have two choices First will be this book Григорович Н.И., Степанов В.С. В память столетнего юбилея Военного ордена Святого Георгия Типография Скарятина В.Д. 1869 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 You will find it here http://www.knigafund.ru/books/51205/read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Second one В. М. Шабанов Военный орден Святого Великомученика и Победоносца Георгия. Именные списки 1769-1920. Биобиблиографический справочник. М., «Русскiй мiръ» 2004 Cheers, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIR Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hi Nick, great - thank you a lot for your help! There are also foreign members of the St. George cross (around 1800) listed!? And is there also a book/source not in cyrillic script? Cheers, Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hi Jens, no non-cyrillic books (at least for my knowleadge) There could be foreign recipients around 1800, but you need to be more specific. We will need class of order and date. Regards, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIR Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hi Nick, thank you again for your quick and great help! And sorry, we don't know the exact date - probably the 4. class. The name is: Johann Christian W i p p e r, but I think without a date too much work. Thanks & regards, Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Well, I looked through 1795-1815 cavaliers' list (4th and just in case 3rd class) - no signs of Wipper There were no awarding with crosses in 4th class between 1796 and 1802. There were no awarding with crosses in 3rd class between 1796 and 1803. Cheers, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIR Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hi Nick, wow! Thank you very much for checking all lists!!! But no luck. I hope sometimes I can help you! Cheers, Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Nichts zu danken Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihaizaha Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Dear all!My russian being 0+,I need your help.I got recently a St George Cross 2nd class no. 27594.I was wondering who was the recipient,date when was awarded and maybe the circumstances.I did take a look at the first link and wasn t there. All the other links are in russian.Please if you guys can help.Aparentlly was awarded around 1915.Thank you in advance for any help.Mihai Zaharencu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihaizaha Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Dear aa!!Few pictures of the cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karas Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Dear Collectors, My ffamily has two pieces of St. George Crosses. I want to know histories of that crosses. Both are class 4 and serial numbers are: - 643-071 - 809-616 I checked the links above but sadly i can't read or speak Russian. If you can help me I'll be grateful for your help. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augustin1813 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Hello! Who can find for me the recipient of the St George Cross for Prussians (Kulm) n° 2476? This cross can be seen here: http://gen.declercq.free.fr/phaleristique/new pages/RUSSIE.htm Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazack Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Hello I am looking to see if anyone can give any information on a St George cross 3rd class # 306.604 regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 11 hours ago, cazack said: St George cross 3rd class # 306.604 Unidentified On 22.05.2017 at 14:30, Karas said: - 809-616 809616 Магомет Гирей Лоов — Черкесский конный полк, всадник. За отличие в бою 31.05.1916 во время конной атаки на с. Окно, когда в рукопашной схватке увидел взводного офицера и двух всадников, окруженных неприятелем, бросился на них и всех изрубил, чем и спас жизнь своего офицера. On 22.05.2017 at 14:30, Karas said: - 643-071 Unidentified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorka Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) And here is my take on translating the citation for St. Georges cross. I wonder if other reputable Russain speaking members will correct me, as some of this military slang takes some knowledge to translate. - 809616 - surname: LOOV ; name: MAGOMET ; middlename: GIREY ; Cherkess cavalry regiment, a horseman. For distinguishing himself in the engagement on 31 May 1916 during mounted attack on village OKNO, when during the handfight he spoted his platoon officer and two horsemen being encircled by the enemy, he rushed them and killed them all with sabre, and thus saved his officers live. Edited May 26, 2017 by Egorka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karas Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Egorka said: And here is my take on translating the citation for St. Georges cross. I wonder if other reputable Russain speaking members will correct me, as some of this military slang takes some knowledge to translate. - 809616 - surname: LOOV ; name: MAGOMET ; middlename: GIREY ; Cherkess cavalry regiment, a horseman. For distinguishing himself in the engagement on 31 May 1916 during mounted attack on village OKNO, when during the handfight he spoted his platoon officer and two horsemen being encircled by the enemy, he rushed them and killed them all with sabre, and thus saved his officers live. 9 hours ago, JapanX said: Unidentified 809616 Магомет Гирей Лоов — Черкесский конный полк, всадник. За отличие в бою 31.05.1916 во время конной атаки на с. Окно, когда в рукопашной схватке увидел взводного офицера и двух всадников, окруженных неприятелем, бросился на них и всех изрубил, чем и спас жизнь своего офицера. Unidentified Dear Egorka, And JapanX, Thank you very much for your help. Girey Loov is my father's mother's brother. It is so exciting to find history of crosses (at least for one of them) I also find some historical documents about him. I am not sure but probably first cross is (numbered 643-071) also belongs to him and awarded at February 1915 for bravery. I put some information about him which i found on internet. 31 мая 1916 г. Черкесскому полку, в составе 41-го Армейского корпуса, было приказано захватить село и железнодорожную станцию Окно. Во время конной атаки, первыми в село, во главе с штабсротмистром, итальянским маркизом Г.Ф. Делли Альбицци, ворвались урядник 3-й сотни Мустаф Дзыба, всадник Магомет-Гирей Лоов, ставший впоследствии поручиком и командиром Отдельной Абазинской сотни 3-го Черкесского конного полка в белогвардейском движении, и урядники Алджирей Бжегаков и Исхак Ачмиз, захватившие трофеи: эшелон с каменным углем, интендантские склады, несколько пулеметов, и пленившие 157 австрийцев и венгров. Как сказано в приказе о награждении, «...увидев взводного офицера и двух всадников, окруженных неприятелем, бросились и изрубили всех врагов, чем спасли жизнь своего офицера...». За эти подвиги, приказом по 41-му Армейскому корпусу Мустаф Дзыба, Магомет-Гирей Лоов, Алджирей Бжегаков и Исхак Ачмиз были награждены Георгиевскими крестами. May 31, 1916, the Circassian Regiment, as part of the 41st Army Corps, was ordered to capture the village and the railway station Okno. During the horse attack, the first to the village, led by the headquarters staff, the Italian Marquis GF. Dalli Albizzi, the third-hundredth detachment Mustaf Dzyba, the rider Mohammed-Girey Loov, who later became the lieutenant and commander of the Independent Abazin hundred of the 3rd Circassian cavalry regiment in the White Guard movement, and the order officers Algirey Brzegakov and Iskhak Achmiz, who captured the trophies: the echelon with the stone Coal, quartermaster warehouses, several machine guns, and captivated 157 Austrians and Hungarians. As stated in the awarding order, "... when they saw the platoon officer and two riders surrounded by the enemy, they rushed and hacked all the enemies, than saved the life of their officer ...". For these exploits, by order of the 41st Army Corps Mustaf Dzyba, Mohammed-Girey Lov, Algirey Brzegakov and Iskhak Achmiz were awarded St. George crosses. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Крым-Шамхалов,_Магомет-Гирей Edited May 26, 2017 by Karas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Thank you, Karas, for this fascinating account of the action in which your great-uncle won the St George Cross. I must confess I had a bit of difficulty understanding the details but one jumped out at me: why on Earth was 'the Italian Marquis GF. Dalli Albizzi' present at this skirmish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karas Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Trooper_D said: Thank you, Karas, for this fascinating account of the action in which your great-uncle won the St George Cross. I must confess I had a bit of difficulty understanding the details but one jumped out at me: why on Earth was 'the Italian Marquis GF. Dalli Albizzi' present at this skirmish? Dear Trooper_D, I found some information about him on internet: https://www.geni.com/people/Marquis-Georgii-degli-Albizzi/6000000050530789896 Marquis Georgii Fedorovitch degli Albizzi Captain of the Guards, Colonel (for 1920). In the Armed Forces of the South of Russia; From 3.07.1919 the head of the machine-gun team in the division of his regiment, from October 1919 the commander of the same division, in early 1920 in the Guards detachment in the Crimea commander of the Combined Guards Squadron. Killed on Perekope. https://translate.google.com.tr/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://regiment.ru/bio/D/121.htm&prev=search Edited May 27, 2017 by Karas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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