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On ‎11‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 10:47, slava1stclass said:

Gents,

  Currently available for sale on a dealer's site.  This exceptionally pristine OGI was issued close to 25 years after the war ended to replace an erroneously-issued second OGIII to the same soldier.  The recipient was a corporal assigned to a rifle regiment with duties as a rifleman and later submachine gunner.  He was also awarded the ORS and two BMs during the war.

  Price:  $9,495.00.

Regards,

slava1stclass

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Gents,

  Price was lowered $505.00 and is currently set at $8,990.00.

Regards,

slava1stclass

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Another great set to Александр Семёнович Писклов :-)

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Another great set to Александр Семёнович Писклов :-)

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Gents,

  Five days prior to his OGI being approved on June 29, 1945, Senior Sergeant Писклов (Pisklov) marched in the historic June 24, 1945, Victory Parade on Red Square, Moscow.  He marched in the 1st Ukrainian Front's formation.  As addressed in my book, he numbers among the relatively few Full Cavaliers who marched in the Victory Parade.  This fact certainly adds another unique dimension to this set.

Regards,

slava1stclass

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Yes, my thoughs exactly. Also nice is the large amount of information which can be found online about him.

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Gents,

  Score one for metal detecting.  This OGII, OGIII, BM and Defense of Moscow medal group was found within the past six months just outside Rathenow, Germany (Brandenburg state).  It was located under a tree in a forest.

  The group belonged to Full Cavalier Corporal Sergey L. Vyatkin.  He was a reconnaissance scout/forward observer assigned to the 432nd Howitzer Artillery Regiment (1st Belorussian Front) when recommended and approved for his OGI on March 24, 1945.  Vyatkin survived the war and died in 1986.  How his orders and medals came to be located under that tree is unclear.  

Regards,

slava1stclass

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On ‎19‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 08:26, slava1stclass said:

Gents,

  Score one for metal detecting.  This OGII, OGIII, BM and Defense of Moscow medal group was found within the past six months just outside Rathenow, Germany (Brandenburg state).  It was located under a tree in a forest.

  The group belonged to Full Cavalier Corporal Sergey L. Vyatkin.  He was a reconnaissance scout/forward observer assigned to the 432nd Howitzer Artillery Regiment (1st Belorussian Front) when recommended and approved for his OGI on March 24, 1945.  Vyatkin survived the war and died in 1986.  How his orders and medals came to be located under that tree is unclear.  

Regards,

slava1stclass

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Gents,

  In the war's final days, Vyatkin's unit was engaged in action as part of the Berlin Offensive Operation.  His unit fought through Wriezen,  Bernau, Glienecke (Glienecke/Nordbahn), Hennigsdorf, Elstal, Brandenburg and Rathenow (where the above orders and medals were discovered).  On May 8, 1945, his combat trail ended on the banks of the Elbe River in the vicinity of Tangermünde.  Vyatkin was also awarded an ORS on March 20, 1945.  Evidently, he had not yet been presented with his ORS and OGI at the time the above awards were lost. 

Regards,

slava1stclass

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What a find!  Did you discover this set or was it something found online?  Beyond envious regardless.

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Is it possible that the medals are so preserved after all those years? By looking at the ribbons and the Medal for Defence of Moscow it's hard for me to belive that the other medals look so intact after being under the ground for over 70 years. I would like someone to prove me wrong.

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I was thinking the same, at least about the ribbons...

Yet that said, many unknown variables- were they sealed up in a container of some sort? 

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I don't know... Maybe... :-)

But here is a photo of some of VYATKIN's awards including "Defence of Moscow" medal with document.

 

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21 hours ago, Paul R said:

What a find!  Did you discover this set or was it something found online?  Beyond envious regardless.

 

  The information and images associated with this group were found online.

 

20 hours ago, BalkanCollector said:

Is it possible that the medals are so preserved after all those years? By looking at the ribbons and the Medal for Defence of Moscow it's hard for me to belive that the other medals look so intact after being under the ground for over 70 years. I would like someone to prove me wrong.

 

  Yes, it is possible.  I would think the orders/medals seen in the "on location" image were cleaned under field conditions before the image was taken.  The serial numbers for the OGII, OGIII and BM all match those awarded to Vyatkin.  We know that Vyatkin's unit fought in Rathenow.  

  Relatedly, Vyatkin's OGI (serial number 1308) was offered for sale on a site in the former Soyuz in early October 2016.  The last bid price of which I was aware was $7,300.00.  With the rest of his award group's recent discovery, who knows, maybe a group reunion is in the works.

  One may assume Vyatkin received official duplicates for his OGII, OGIII and BM after the war owing to the originals' loss during combat.  The podvig site confirms he was awarded the Medal for the Defense of Moscow.  The Medal for the Defense of Moscow seen in Egorka's above post is a replacement.

Regards,

slava1stclass

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simply wow. 

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Well, then it is just outstanding!!! Speechless! Thank  you for sharing, Slava!

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On ‎19‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 08:26, slava1stclass said:

Gents,

  Score one for metal detecting.  This OGII, OGIII, BM and Defense of Moscow medal group was found within the past six months just outside Rathenow, Germany (Brandenburg state).  It was located under a tree in a forest.

  The group belonged to Full Cavalier Corporal Sergey L. Vyatkin.  He was a reconnaissance scout/forward observer assigned to the 432nd Howitzer Artillery Regiment (1st Belorussian Front) when recommended and approved for his OGI on March 24, 1945.  Vyatkin survived the war and died in 1986.  How his orders and medals came to be located under that tree is unclear.  

Regards,

slava1stclass

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Gents,

  Should any doubt remain, and as some fellow GMIC members are already aware, this set's legitimacy has also been confirmed on a sister Russian forum.

Regards,

slava1stclass

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Gents,

  This thread has come a very long way over the past 12 and one-half years. 

  Having just surpassed 50,000 unique views and with almost 700 replies, it is by far the most popular non-pinned active thread in the entire GMIC Russia forum - thank you. 

  Here's to the next 50,000 views!

Regards,

slava1stclass

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Let’s do it! 50001 :)

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Gents,

  A single/loose OGI with its associated Full Cavalier booklet recently sold in the former Soyuz for slightly over $9,500.00 - a solid price and that in the former Soyuz.  It would be interesting to see what price would have been attained had the associated OGII and OGIII been available/included. 

  As noted throughout this thread, in the very early days following the collapse of the USSR, many Full Cavalier sets were broken up.  This was due in part to the misguided notion that the OGI alone (given its gold content) would have greater appeal/realize a greater profit in the West. 

Regards,

slava1stclass

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Gents,

  Currently at auction in the former Soyuz.  Opening bid for the group is $9,960.00 - very reasonable considering all that is included.  The Full Cavalier in question was erroneously issued two OGIIs during the war.  The second erroneous OGII award was upgraded to the OGI seen here almost 25 years later.  He was a sergeant major and squad leader in a dismounted reconnaissance platoon assigned to a rifle regiment when recommended for his final OG.  As an enlisted man, it was no small feat to have been awarded six distinct combat orders. 

Regards,

slava1stclass

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That's very reasonable. Is there more info on the awardee? 

 

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On ‎03‎/‎08‎/‎2018 at 18:04, slava1stclass said:

Gents,

  Currently at auction in the former Soyuz.  Opening bid for the group is $9,960.00 - very reasonable considering all that is included.  The Full Cavalier in question was erroneously issued two OGIIs during the war.  The second erroneous OGII award was upgraded to the OGI seen here almost 25 years later.  He was a sergeant major and squad leader in a dismounted reconnaissance platoon assigned to a rifle regiment when recommended for his final OG.  As an enlisted man, it was no small feat to have been awarded six distinct combat orders. 

Regards,

slava1stclass

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Gents,

  The group sold for $16,501.00.

Regards,

slava1stclass

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