JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) In elaboration of these threads http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/51177-classification-of-colden-kites-in-3rd-and-2nd-class/?hl=%2Bgolden+%2Bkite http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/51156-classification-of-colden-kites-in-4th-and-5th-class-an-attempt/ http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/51228-classification-of-golden-kites-in-6th-and-7th-class/page-1?hl=+golden +kite and of course this one http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/52822-applying-the-golden-kite-dating-classification-a-question-for-japanx/?hl=%2Bgolden+%2Bkite and this one too http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/57428-an-ultimate-test-for-dating-golden-kites-in-4th-and-5th-classes-with-scattered-riverts/?hl=%2Bclassification+%2Bof+%2Bgolden+%2Bkites Edited January 14, 2014 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 As we already know this famous naïve basic rule "The basic rule can be summarised as the closer the rivets, the older the piece" Isn`t working in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th classes. Moreover - pieces from Showa epoch have centered rivets. Pieces with less centured rivets are typical for ealier pieces that came from Meiji and (possibly) Taisho epoch. Really interesting question will be: is it possible that the very same manufacturer made pieces with centered and scattered rivets? Let`s see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 First will be this piece from Meiji/Taisho epoch (it was used in this classification http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/51156-classification-of-colden-kites-in-4th-and-5th-class-an-attempt/?hl=%2Bclassification+%2Bof+%2Bgolden+%2Bkites#entry468412 and was labeled as type 3) Obverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Reverse (centered rivets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Now take a look at this piece Obverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Birdies are identical! Pieces also very similar by obverses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 But second piece has scattered rivets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Ain`t it something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 If you like to draw a line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Interesting, that obverses of this two pieces have some mini differences. The most pronounced Detail of piece with centered rivets / Detail of piece with scattered rivets Same story on the other side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Rivets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) But the birds are practically identical Look them in the eye! ... or wings Edited January 14, 2014 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Same form of Kites, same (approximately) time period, but different centering of rivets! And this piece from posts # 6-7 is not exclusion. Here comes another one (sold at Ebay a loooooong time ago) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Wolfe Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 This is an absolutely fascinating post. There is so much to learn and only one live-time to do so. Regards Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I only wish more guys (and girls ) were interested in variations and dating of japanese orders (and not only golden kites) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I'm very interested, just no money to supply specimens with which to do so! Absolutely fascinating subject though. Dating and origins are extremely important in my opinion. Why couldn't they simply stamp dates and makers on ALL of these? (I know, where's the "fun" in that!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 I know, where's the "fun" in that! You said it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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