Chrisvo Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Greetings to all. I would like to find some information on two ABO medals I recently purchased. One to a Korpl J H Muller and another to a Burger F C Swart. Both in relatively good condition, one with a WW1 suspender and the other with the WW2 suspender and block letters. Any information, such as Commandos that they fought in, battles they took part in and any other Boer War and post Boer War info would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Chris Edited March 12, 2014 by Chrisvo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QSAMIKE Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Hello Chris.....There is an ABO roll here take a look.....http://angloboerwar.com/medals-and-awards/boer/1718-anglo-boer-oorlog?showall=&limitstart=Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisvo Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Evening Mike I've looked there before and didn't find either of their names. The best I could find was a Korpl J J Muller. I suppose they could have used 'H' as his second name is Johannes but I doubt it. The complete roll would be quite larger than that considering it only has 451 records compared to the close on 14000 ABO medals issued. Any other sources I might look at? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Korp. Jan Hendrick Muller, Gatsrand Commando... Frederick Christiaan Swart... Ladybrand commando Luckily 2 unique names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisvo Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Baie dankie Chris! Is there perhaps a site I can read up on these two gents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Hi, the big Plus is they are unique name medals.... some ABOs have 3 or 5 or 10 guys with the same initial. With these (unique names) you can order the guys application form from the archives in Pretoria... it will have (depending on how well he filled out the form) when he joined, which battles he took part in, if he was captured, who his commander was, if he was wounded etc. There are some reserchers in Pretoria that can get you the info, the prices for the service vary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisvo Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'll give the Cape Town Archives a call tomorrow and perhaps they can get the Pretoria National Archives to send them some info. Could be an interesting little research project. Thanks again for your help. Narrowed the search down consideribly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Hi, I dont think they can help, it is the SADF /SANDF archives that have the records, notz the state ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisvo Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Ah I see. Would that be the Department of Defense Archives then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisvo Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Good day to all. Just spoke to the Department of Defence Archives and was put through to the man who deals with ABO medals. He told me to send him an email with all the details of the two gents and hopefully he can send me their form Bs and any other info they might have. He suggested I look a bit further to see if either went on to fight in World War One. Anyway, thank you Chris Boonzaier for helping me out and I shall place what I receive on this post. Chris Edited March 13, 2014 by Chrisvo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Look forward to seeing the details :-)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I can find no trace of a 'Gatsrand Commando' - will be interesting to see if they identify it by that name. Ladybrand Commando were an OFS Commando. They fought in the following engagements - Boshof, Magersfontein, Poplar Grove, Brandfort, Sand River, Korrannaberg, Biddulphsberg, Wittebergen, Brandwater Basin , Commando Nek , Blijdskap. Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I can find no trace of a 'Gatsrand Commando' - will be interesting to see if they identify it by that name. Hi, The application forms make interesting browsing... quite a number of applicants seem to have made up their own names for battles and units ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisvo Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Hi there Mervyn Here's something that should put the matter to rest.. http://books.google.co.za/books?id=lQKM_11D6I0C&pg=PA656&lpg=PA656&dq=Gatsrand+Commando&source=bl&ots=4YgpwTg5AH&sig=8DZamHbsZrZWH_yxtt2599XW5XM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4YwhU9zUBcje7AaMn4DwCg&ved=0CGAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Gatsrand%20Commando&f=false Oh, and thanks, now I know which way to display the Swart medal. Edited March 13, 2014 by Chrisvo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Chrisvo - thankyou for that ref. - they certainly existed at that time. Will be interesting to see refs. from the Dept. of Def. Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hi all South Africa experts, I checked the link above and I can't find there Burger H.L.C.Ahrens. Does some of you have any information about that man? Thanking you in advance, Timo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Hendey Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Timo Hartug Carl Ludwig Ahrens of the Johannesburg Commando is recorded in the DTD/ABO/LVW roll compiled by D R Forsyth. Regards Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Timo Hartug Carl Ludwig Ahrens of the Johannesburg Commando is recorded in the DTD/ABO/LVW roll compiled by D R Forsyth. Regards Brett Thank you very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Timo Hartug Carl Ludwig Ahrens of the Johannesburg Commando is recorded in the DTD/ABO/LVW roll compiled by D R Forsyth. Regards Brett Would be interesting to see his application document. I am betting he was in more than one commando best Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Just a Note.... 2 Articles by Henk Loots are up on kaiserscross.... for years they have been "The" articles about the award... http://www.kaiserscross.com/40184/465722.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisvo Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 Hello once again. Just received the copies of the Form B for the two medals. Thank you Chris Boonzaier and a thank you to Gerald and Steve at the Documentation Centre for providing the information. Got both the Forms for Korpl JH Muller and Burger FC Swart but also got one for a Burger J H Muller. Anyway, for your enjoyment.. Regards, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Very, very nice indeed!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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