paul kennedy Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I assume it would be for a wartime NCO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Nice Junior NCO I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I agree. Very nice medal bar. Maybe just put the medal rings under the ribbons. Kind regards Pierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul kennedy Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 Chris - Thank you. Pierce - Thank you...and will do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyboy Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 What is the last award please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.F. Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Bavarian Long Service Medal, for 9 years I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul kennedy Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 Yes. It's a long service medal. The ribbon is faded on the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyboy Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Thank you both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Not necessarily an NCO. That grade of the Militär-Verdienstkreuz was awarded to Mannschaften - Gefreiten and Gemeinen (Infanterist, Jäger, Kanonier, Pionier, etc.). I suppose he could have made Unteroffizier by the end of the war, but not necessarily so. Hitler had this same combination, plus the EK1, a Regiments-Diplom for bravery, and the Wound Badge, and he stayed a Gefreiter from November 1914 on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Hi, does that mean anyone who served 14-18 would have recieved the DA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul kennedy Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 Dave - I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Hi, does that mean anyone who served 14-18 would have recieved the DA? Soldiers who served since 1914 were awarded the DA for 9 years in 1918, because of the double counting of war years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 It's an example of the odd method of double-counting. You would think that they would have reckoned from mobilization on, so that, for example, war service from 1 August 1914 to 1 December 1918 would be 4 years and 4 months, doubled to 8 years and eight months, so you would need another 4 months to get a 9-year Dienstauszeichnung. Instead, according to the Allerhöchster Ordre of 7.9.1915, "Denjenigen Kriegsteilnehmern, die sowohl im Kalenderjahr 1914 wie im Kalenderjahr 1915 die vorstehenden Bedingungen erfüllt haben, sind zwei Kriegsjahre anzurechnen". To qualify, you had to have served in combat at the front - "an einer Schlacht, einem Gefecht, einem Stellungskampf oder an einer Belagerung teilgenommen haben" - or to have spent at least two months in a Kriegsgebiet. So the 1914-15 war years counted for two years, even though it was only actually 1 year and 5 months of war. Thus, service from 1914 through 1918 counted as 5 war years, doubled to 10, making most enlisted men who served throughout the entire war eligible for at least a 9-year DA. But there are exceptions, because of the definition of Kriegsgebiet. Some soldiers who spent an entire calendar year in Heimatdienst did not get credit for that calendar year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 That is pretty cool to know... I always assumed it meant prewar service.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 So if you served from 1914 but were invalided out for loosing 2 legs in 1917 you dont get it... bummer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I agree. Very nice medal bar. Maybe just put the medal rings under the ribbons. Kind regards Pierce Hello: Well, maybe the medal rings should be placed under the ribbons, and maybe not:...........Sometimes the Bavarian bars were actually constructed this way (were made to be worn this way), and were actually sometimes worn in this fashion. I would not have believed it myself, except that the evidence exists in period photographs of soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul kennedy Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 Thank you for the information Schiessplatzmeister. I ended up leaving them as they were. I thought the ribbons were too tight to easily slide the rings behind them, and I didn't want to damage anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azyeoman Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 My great uncle was awarded the exact same bar along with a black wound badge after having served as a balloonist in WWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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