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bigjarofwasps, April 20, 2015 in Great Britain: Mervyn Mitton's British & Colonial Police Forces
The term 'unplated nickel silver' has been used to describe the first issues of this medal - I have always thought they were made of cupro-nickel. Medal Year Book also states they were made of cupro-nickel.
It is a shame they went away from the old card boxes of issue because they at least had a label which showed the force the man was serving in when his medal was issued. Over the years I have acquired a few of the long extinct city and borough forces medals; I would have never known without the medals still being in their original boxes of issue.
What about the Latin wording? I've come across QEII D.G & QEII Br Omn, examples. What's the difference?
Here's the translations of the various Latin you'll find on QE11's medals. I assume they equate to various times during her reign? But I may well be wrong there, so don't quote me.
When QEII came to the throne most medals used the BR OMN REGINA F D inscription with the Queen's Head on the obverse (Korea Medal, GSM Malaya, NGS Malaya, Long Service Medals etc). About 1955 the obverse inscription was changed to DEI GRATIA REGINA F D. About the same time the medals which previously had the suspender pinned through the medal (eg NGS) were changed to the three point mounting system with three pins holding the suspender to the rim of the medal. This change was made because the Royal Mint were told that the suspender should no longer obscure part of the medal obverse design. The Police LS Medal was always issued with the three point mounting system so both types of EIIR issues(and GVI issues) have the same suspender fixing arrangement.
Thanks Odin Mk3, so am I right in thinking that Police LSGC's with BR OMN REGINA F D, were awarded between 1952 & 1955,hence will be rarer that the DEI GRATIA version. Which I further assume is still being issued today (there must be thousands of this type, is it know how many of the earlier version were issued?). I also assume then that the earlier version would indicate that the Officer had served during the Second World War?
Yes the BR OMN REGINA F D would be early QEII reign although I suspect the QEII head wasn't used until 1953 (crowned head) - so circa 1953-1955.
Many GVI issues were to men who served in WWII (usually qualifying for the Defence Medal) but some would have been awarded for men who qualified post May 1945 up to 1953
Thanks again Odin. I've had a little surf of dealers lists and interestingly there appears to be no difference in pricing between the QEII D.G & QEII Br Omn, examples. Despite the latter appearing to be rarer? I've also noticed a difference between the naming styles on the various Police LSGC's. I wonder when this change occurred and is it possible to roughly workout a date difference in issuing by the naming styles?
The Queen is set to become the longest ever reigning monarch in British history. On September 9 2015, she will pass the record set by her great-great-grandmother Queen Victoria. I wonder whether this will merit a change of design or wording?
They are certainly introducing a new coinage head but in the next year or so but whether they will change the medal heads I do not know.
They are certainly introducing a new coinage head but in the next year or so but whether they will change the medal heads I do not know.Paul
Will be interesting to see and certainly worthy of further discussion, perhaps I'll start a new thread?
I don't believe they will and my argument for this is based on the fact that the Golden Jubilee Medal (2002) has an older Elizabeth as the effigy, but the Iraq war medal (2003) for example has a young Elizabeth effigy. So I would imagine that the effigy will stay the same? HOWEVER Victoria did change the effigy on her medals for an older looking her, an example being the Boer War medal (1899-1901). So I may well be talking through my hat..........
The New Ebola medal, certainly has an older Effigy on it. Could it be that they'll begin issuing all medals with this effigy from now one? Will LSGC medals be issued with this effigy in future?
I have in my collection 3 different PLS&GC medal obverses- GVI crowned head "Britt Omn Rex Fid Def", QEII crowned head "D.G. Br. Omn" and QEII crowned head "Dei Gratia". I think that is the full set of obverse types but happy to learn more!
The GVI is cupro nickel, the QEII "D.G. Br. Omn' is cupro nickel, the QEII "Dei Gratia" is rhodium plated.
I think there may also be a QEII "Dei Gratia" in cupro nickel??
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