lambert Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) The order of the Rose was founded by the Emperor Dom Pedro I. on October 17, 1829, on occasion of his second marriage to Amalie Princess of Leuchtenberg. Dom Pedro I. who was besides his epileptic seizures a tough character and had several mistresses. This may be the reason why his first wife, Leopoldine of Austria, deceased rather young, not even 30 years old, in 1826. They had five children together, among them Maria Gloria, later Queen of Spain, and Dom Pedro, who would be Dom Pedro I. successor, called Dom Pedro II. After the death of Leopoldine of Austria, Dom Pedro I. went to Europe looking for a new wife. Due to his history and the influence of the Austrian chancellor Count Metternich a proper woman couldn't be obtained. Therefore his mistress, at this time still living at the Brazilian Court, was send away and negotiation with the Bavarian court Pedro got engaged to Amalie von Leuchtenberg, a daughter of the former Vice King of Italy, Eugen de Beauharnais. He was made the Duke of Leuchtenberg by his father in law King Maximilian von Bayern.Two days after the engagement, October 17, 1829, the Order of the Rose was founded. Some say the order was founded due to Pedro saying: "...beautiful as a rose", looking at Amalie. The other theory was the fact that Amalie liked the Rose's very much and he surprised her giving her a diamond set grand cross badge upon her arrival in Brazil. The last version should be the correct one.Fact is the precise planning of this order, proven by countless design drawings. The bear dates on them starting 4 weeks before she arrived in Brazil.avers cavaleiro crossThe order was awarded in 6 different grades.On April 6, 1831, Dom Pedro went into exile with his daughter Maria Gloria and his wife to Spain and gave his power to his underage son Dom Pedro, now Dom Pedro II. The 5 year old was substituted by a council until he turned 15 July 15, 1840. During 1831 and 1840 no order was awarded. Afterwards the order was awarded quite often, since Pedro had a strong connection to his mother. Therefore the Order of the Rose became the most important in Brazil. In addition to this the order was even more popular then the classical Brazilian orders, as the order of the Southern Cross, due to its pretty designs. The Grand Duke of Russia, how was listed for the Grand Cross of the higher Order of The Southern Cross, during a visit of Dom Pedro II. in Russia asked the Emperor of Brazil for the Order of the Rose after being given his Grand Cross set. Being asked for the reason, he answered that the Rose Order had the more elegant design. Needless to say, that he was given both orders.After the revolution in 1889 the emperor of Brazil left his country. He diseased in Paris December 5, 1891.The order of the Rose is still a very attractive decoration and quite rare. Looking at the number of awards it is quite clear, that certain classes are pretty difficult to obtain: limits due to statuestotal number of bestowals Pedro I(1829-1831)Pedro II(1841-1889)Grão Cruz 7157efetivo8 honorario8 Grande Dignitario161173Dignitario3211288Commendadorunlimited271572Oficialunlimited144118Cavaleirounlimited1198937 The Grão Cruz efetivo was worn with a collar of 54.5 cm length.There are a number of different manufactures for this order. The main manufacture was Kretly in Paris and Wolfers in Brussels. This made it difficult to determine the sizes of the different badges of the order. Mr. G. Tammann came up with the following measurements in [mm]: badgestarribbon height x widthpoint to point diameterheight x widthpoint to point diameterwidthGrão Cruz 101 (sash)efetivo112x6473 + crown90x7676 + crown honorario112x6473 + crown90x7676 + crown Grande Dignitario89x5259 + crown85x7272 + crown60 (neck ribbon)since 1856 101 (sash)Dignitario55x505572x727260 Commendador70x4146 + crown70x5374x5453 + crown54 + crown60 (neck ribbon)Oficial43x434353x5363x63536335 (brest ribbon)60 (neck ribbon)Cavaleiro49x3155x3831 + crown38 + crownno star35 (breast ribbon)Other manufactures are:da Costa, LisbonLemaitre, ParisResse, Rio de JaneiroRothe ViennaUnfortunately there is no way of making the differentiation between the decorations awarded under Dom Pedro I. and Dom Pedro II. Even though the crown was different, the change was not shown in the design of the decoration. The only reliable basis is the French control mark law. French made pieces made during the regency of Dom Pedro I. show sometimes a ram (belier) mark if in gold and the hare (lievre) mark if in silver (gilt). During Pedro II's period the corresponding French marks are the eagle (aigle) and the boar (sanglier).http://www.medalnet.net/brazil_rose.htm Edited May 28, 2015 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) These are pictures of my .. Photos: Milton Basile Edited May 28, 2015 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
922F Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) In addition to European makers, several Brazilian jewelers besides Resse made insignia for this Order. Various Brazilian museums offer displays concerning this Order, including the Palace at Petropolis and the Army Historical Museum at Fort Copacabana [Rio].Two branches of the former imperial family award this Order and other Imperial Brazilian awards. Prince Luiz [Orleans-Braganza, so-called Vassouras branch] seems to be more active in this respect than Prince Pedro Carlos [Orleans-Braganza, so-called Petropolis branch]. Da Costa of Lisbon manufactures Rose Order insignia for these Princes.The Imperial Order of the Rose served as the insignia design model for current Brazilian Order of Merit. Edited May 28, 2015 by 922F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 One of the most beautiful Orders ever designed in my humble opinion.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted May 29, 2015 Author Share Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) Thanks, Paul and 922F. I agree it is beautiful!This is the lowest class model, KNIGHT probably aimed at "Voluntários da Pátria" soldiers who fought in the Paraguayan War 1864-1870I sought this Order for many years. it's not easy to find. Lambert Edited May 30, 2015 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Thank you for your comprehensive and informative post (which I have filed away for future reference), Lambert, and for allowing us to see your example of this wonderful award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I've shown this elsewhere on the forum, but couldn't resist another chance to show off my baby. I just love this piece. As you can see, I got it at the OMSA show in Jacksonville, Florida in 2008. It was outrageously expensive and worth every penny. I used to travel regularly to Brasil for business, but never saw anything like this. Any comments on whether this is likely to be an efetivo or onorario or are the insignia the same? BRAZIL – Imperial Order of the Rose (Ordem Imperial da Rosa) – Grand Cross set with sash badge, silver gilt, medallions gold, both sides enameled, roses painted. Size 48 x 78 mm without ring, two roses on reverse chipped – VFStar – 64 x 84 mm, both exquisite detail. Sash is faded. You'll see that the dimensions differ from Lambert's data above. Variant from a different manufacturer, I suppose. Or perhaps it's really a Grao Dignitario. Unfortunately, I didn't look for a maker's mark before framing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I've shown this elsewhere on the forum, but couldn't resist another chance to show off my baby. I just love this piece. Just wonderful, Hugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I first became aware of the Rose when we visited a museum in St. Augustine, Florida. They were working the floral motif, with examples of the British Order of the Indian Empire, Finland's Order of the White Rose and our very own Brazilian Rose, all of which use a rose as the central motif. My wife, who has indulged me in these foibles for over 50 years, was captivated, and decided that we had to have one and about 10 years later, we did. There may be other roses out there, but I don't know about them. Any thoughts? Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 Hugh,It's really hard to find, even in these conditions perfectly preserved and the Ribbon Original! It's wonderful to see this your baby ..It is a splendid set !! Worth every penny, definitely!the Imperial Museum (Petropolis, Rio de Janeiro) there are some exposed specimens including the order used by Emperor Pedro II Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 OK, it's confession time (and the purists are going to go bonkers). When I got the sash, the rosette was very badly faded - to the point where the colors could no longer be distinguished. Thanks to a dealer who shall remain nameless for his own protection, I was able to buy a length of ribbon from a Danish order which almost exactly matches the Brazilian Rose and fabricate a new rosette. I carefully removed the old rosette and saved it, replacing it with the new version. If I (or more likely, my heirs) sell the piece, they'll have the old rosette to accompany it, so all that has been lost is the stitching to attach it. My rationale is that, as a career officer with thirty years service, I would never have appeared with the faded rosette on my uniform. I would certainly have replaced it to assure that the order appeared "as issued". Just as we replace old faded, or torn flags, we maintain ODM making the minimum changes to keep them in good order and appearance. I'll now stand back to receive the blasts of those who think otherwise.Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 I think there is no no shame in that, after all what is a restorative work piece .. Were it otherwise never tapestries of St. Petersburg Palace jamas could be recovered. I think you did right to preserve the beauty of the Order, I would do the same! . Unfortunately the Ribbon of my order was lost a long time, also seek a similar replacement. Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) I was able to buy a length of ribbon from a Danish order which almost exactly matches the Brazilian Rose and fabricate a new rosette.Top marks for initiative, Hugh! Google is not helping me, greatly, so, as a matter of interest, can you recall which Danish order it was, please? Edited June 1, 2015 by Trooper_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Alas, no, but I can put you in contact with the dealer if he is still using the same email address. Just let me know. H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper_D Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Alas, no, but I can put you in contact with the dealer if he is still using the same email address. Just let me know. Thank you, Hugh. At this stage, it was purely curiosity but should that change, I will get back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 An antique illustration:Lieutenant Colonel Joaquim da Silva Maia, with their Awards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Nice one Lambert can you give details of all his awards in the picture? Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) yes PaulI can identify some awards.Medal for the Surrender of Uruguayana (Medalha da Rendição de Uruguaiana), 1865General Medal for the Paraguayan Campaign (Medalha Geral da Campanha do Paraguai), 1870, with ribbon bar Medalha de campanha Uruguay 1852 Edited June 3, 2015 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Ordem de são bento de AvizOrdem de Cristo Lambert Edited June 3, 2015 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Lambert,Thank you so much, I suspect his Aviz would be more like this Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Hello Paul,Yes I agree. In the caption of the image, is called the Order of St. Benedict of Avis. and the image of the "Cross" (Portugal).This is the Order (Brazilian).So I believe that he has received the Portuguese Order (!?) Lambert Edited June 4, 2015 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 You are right, It is possible they are reduced size badges denoting higher grades.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Jr. Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Nice topic, with great pictures.Lambert, I'm glad you managed to grab this one.Congratulations!Douglas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 Thank you so much Douglas ! Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Old Photo:José Moreira Alves da Silva 1850-1909 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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