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Also, since the 1918 Navy rank list came out early in the year, it's possible some state might have shot ahead of the pack later by giving out a lot more naval awards. For instance, when the list came out, F?rst Heinrich XXVII of Reu? might have noticed that he had only awarded the Princely Honor Cross with Swords to a grand total of four regular navy officers - Korvettenkapit?n Alexander Werth, Kapit?nleutnant Ernst Kellermann, Kapit?nleutnant Hugo Schmidt and Kapit?nleutnant F?rst Heinrich XXXVII of Reu?.

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I missed one: Kapit?nleutnant Johannes Remy. That makes five naval officers in 3 1/2 years of war.

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and another on a statute ribbon which will be restored to a medal bar. This and the one above are the only two examples I have seen which is not significant but they are the only two examples Rick has seen and that is very significant.

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Now here comes King Kong or Mighty Joe Young or some other really big monkey...this is quite a bar.

Although technically Saxon it is the presence of the Reuss decorations that will make the identification of the owner possible. Rick has narrowed it down to a leutnant possibly in the Reserve Jager Battalion 13. He may have gone to that battalion as cadre from the 13 Jager Battalion.

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Bob! i love the wee bar with the Reuss Silver merit medal!

And of course the Saxon bar! awesome!

I reckon you should post your collection for all to see in the collections forum!

Pleeeeese!

Ralph, Nice cased example! very sweet!

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Thanks Bob! will look forward to seeing the collection!

Can i ask u a question?

I want to find out if there is a comprehensive compilation on the form of a good book, that shows with good pics and describes Imperial German awards from 1813 to say..1934?

Is there such a book? and where can i buy this?

Thanks!

Paul

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That book is probably in Rick Research's head waiting to be written. I have found some excellent books on some state awards and there is always Nimmergut's six volume tome but since I don't own one I cannot comment on the pictures. So far all german text.

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Hi notned (Paul),

Bob Hunter?s answer is on the money.

His remark about Rick Research?s potential book is likely correct as well (I do not know if such a book is in the works, but certainly hope so); but to me has a haunting aspect to it. A year ago this coming Tuesday, I received a call at two in the morning from a sheriff?s deputy in Maryland informing me of the death of Eric Ludvigsen. Eric and I, close friends for over twenty years, were working on a book on the Brunswick House Order of Henry the Lion; and Eric had also started work on a book on the Prussian Order of the Red Eagle with George Seymour (another close friend of twenty plus years who had died three and one half months earlier), all of which is now scattered or lost. Eric had a fantastic mind and in it was more knowledge on Imperial German orders and decorations than most of us have - all put together.

Well. What's left, what's available? Please understand that the subject of Imperial German orders and decorations is massive - there are close to one hundred variations of the Red Eagle alone! Therefore, about the only practical way to approach this subject, in total at the present time, is with Nimmergut?s magnum opus. Beyond that, Neal O?Connor?s series on Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany is surprisingly useful to the point that the title is almost misleading - and it is in English.

Beyond that, one has to go ,as Bob notes, with the more specialized publications such as such as, by state and author - Anhalt (Scharfenberg), Saxony (Weber, et al.) and Waldeck/Pyrmont (Efler).

I hope that this information is helpful.

Best wishes,

Wild Card

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Hi Wild Card,

Yes i agree, Bob is right, Mr Research is pretty darn good at what he does!

I do understand the loss u feel of these fine gentlemen...and the information they had between them is really important.

Nimmerguts Magnum opus...Hmmm, ok sounds huge...tell me more..

Specialised publications huh? wow! it can get really interesting then.

So there is nothing that just covers the different states and duchies major awards and service medals.... not the endless varieties, of the high end ones like the Prussian Red eagle order. From, which we can refer to the In the specialized publications...?

and By the way David....Nice Bars!!

Cheers

Paul

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Hi Paul,

Lile Wild Card says, the best book is from Nimmergut. But like the price is so high I have never bought one of them. I have a select bibliography. Have a look.

Regards

Christophe

1) Ordres et d?corations.

a) G?n?ralit?s.

ACKERMANN (G.A.), Ordensbuch s?mtlicher in Europa bl?hender und erloschener Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1996, XXXI-251 p.

BALL (R.W.D.), PETERS (P.), Military medals, decorations & orders of the USA & Europe, Atglen, Schiffer Publishing Ltd,1994, 184 p.

BLONDEL (J-M), Ordres des Etats de l?Allemagne Imp?riale, Boissy en Brie, sans ?diteur, 1987, 101 p.

CHALIF (D.), Military pilot & aircrew badges of the world, San Jose, Bender Publishing, 1982, 224 p.

DILLEMANN (Pr G.), Les Ordres prussiens et le syst?me de r?compense des m?rites de guerre dans l?arm?e prussienne pendant la premi?re guerre mondiale, conf?rence prononc?e devant les membres de la Sabretache le 16 janvier 1971, 26 p.

ESTORFF, Unser Infanteriedienst, Berlin, Mittler, o. J., VIII-184 p.

FORSTREUTER (K.), Der Deutsche Orden am Mittelmeer, Bonn, Verlag Wissenschaftliches Archiv, 1967, 283 p.

FO? (Dr. Phil V.), Kleiner Ordenskatechismus, Leipzig, Verlag Opetz, 1916, 63 p.

GEEB (H.K.), KIRCHNER (H.), Deutsche Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Berlin, Carl Heymanns Verlag, 1970, 322 p.

GEILE (W.), Register der im Jahrgang 1908/1909 des Deutschen Ordens-Almanachs selten genannten in undausl?ndischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1997, LXXXVI-55 p.

HAYDEN (M.), German military ribbon bars 1914-1957, Atgle, Schiffer Military History, 2001, 70 p.

H?SKEN (A.), Katalog der Orden und Ehrenzeichen des Deutschen Reiches 1871-19454, Bremen, Hauschild GmbH, 1993,291 p.

KLIETMANN (Dr K.G.), F?r Tapferkeit und Verdienst, M?nchen, Schild Verlag, 1954, 59 p.

KLIETMANN (Dr K.G.), Pour le M?rite und Tapferkeitsmedaille, Berlin, Verlag ? Die Ordens-Sammlung ?, 1966, 104 p.

LEPLAT (F.), La Phal?ristique ou collectionner les d?corations, Laon, Alpha Prime, 1988, 140 p.

MATHIS (R.), Croix et m?dailles de guerre 14-18, Paris, Public R?alisation, 1982, 150 p.

NIMMERGUT (J.), Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Deutschland Katalog 1995-1996, M?nchen, Verlag Nimmergut, 1996, 552 p.

NIMMERGUT (J.), Orden und Ehrenzeichen, B?nderkatalog, M?nchen, Verlag Nimmergut, 1992, 272 p.

OLDENKOTT, Die Orden, Wappen und Ehrenzeichen der detuschen Bundestaaten im Ersten Weltkriege 1914-1918,Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1998, 14 p.

POLLACZEK (M.), Deutsche Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Berlin, Hermann Hillger Verlag, 1920, 112 p.

STUDENITZ (K.G.), Vom Zuber alter Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Freiburg i Br, Druckaus Rombach, 1981, 80 p.

VOLLE (H.), Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Freiburg i Br, Druckaus Rombach, 1977-1980, 2 vol. 116 p 84 p.

b) Bade.

HOLZMANN (A.), Badens Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1997, 284 p.

O?CONNOR (N. W.), Aviation Award?s of Imperial Germany in World War One, vol. 6, The Great Duchies of Baden and Oldenburg, Princeton, New Jersey, 1999, 437 p.

ROTH (E.), Verleihungen vom Milit?rischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen des Groherzogtums Baden im Ersten Weltkrieg,Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1997, 220 p.

d) Bavi?re.

HYRONIMUS (J.), Bayerns Goldenes Ehrenburch, M?nchen, Reichsarchiv, 1928, 530 p.

KRAMER (R. von), Virtuti Pro Patria. Der K?niglich bayerische Milit?r-Max-Joseph-Orden, Kriegstaten und Ehrenbuch 1914-1918, M?nchen, Selbstverlag des MMJO, 1966, 451 p.

O?CONNOR (N. W.), Aviation Award?s of Imperial Germany in World War One, vol. 1, The Kingdom of Bavaria, Princeton,New Jersey, 1988, 176 p.

PETER (F. W. von), Verleihungen nichtbayerischer Orden und Ehrenzeichen an bayerische Milit?rangeh?rige 1914 ? 1918, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 2001, 142 p.

ROTH (E.), Verleihungen vom Milit?rischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen des Kg. Bayern im Ersten Weltkriege, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1997, 220 p.

e) Brunswick.

RECKEWELL (R.), FISCHER (J.), Orden, Ehre und Abzeichen des Herzogtums Braunschweig, Brunswick, St?dische Museum, 1987, 68 p.

f) Hohenzollern

LINK (E.), GAUGGEL (H.), F?rstlich Hohenzollernsche Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Fridingen, Graf Klenau Verlags GmbH, 1985, 234p.

O?CONNOR (N. W.), Aviation Award?s of Imperial Germany in World War One, vol. 7, Eight German States and the Three Free Cities, Atglen, Schiffer, 2002, 514p.

g) Mecklemburg Strelitz

OHM-HIERONYMUSSEN (P.), Die Mecklenburg Strelitzer Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Malchow, Buchdruckerei Schuborth, 2000, 186 p.

h) Oldenburg.

ARNOLD (G.W.), The Oldenburg House and Merit Order of Duke Peter Friedrich Ludwig, Duluth, OMSA Publications, 2000, 56p.

BEYREI (F.), Der Hausorden und die tragbaren Ehrenzeichen des Groherzogtums Oldenburg 1813-1918, Steinau, Selbstverlag, 1996, 138 p.

O?CONNOR (N. W.), Aviation Award?s of Imperial Germany in World War One, vol. 6, The Great Duchies of Baden and Oldenburg, Princeton, New Jersey, 1999, 437 p.

i) Prusse.

BRINKMANN (J.), Die Ritter des Ordens Pour le M?rite 14-18, Hannover, B?ckbur, 1982, 150 p.

EDKINS (D.), The Prussian Orden Pour le M?rite, Falls Church, Ajay Enterprises, 1981, 146 p.

FUHRMANN (H.), Pour le M?rite ?ber die Sichtbarmachung von Verdiensten, Siegmaringen, Thorbecke Verlag, 1996, 90 p.

GEILE (W.), Die Ritter des Kg. Hausorden von Hohenzollern mit Schwerten im Weltkrieg, Offenbach,Phaleristischer Verlag, 1996, 78 p.

HILDEBRAND (K.F.), ZWENG (C.), Die Ritter des Orden Pour le M?rite 1740-1918, Bd. 1, Osnabr?ck, Biblio-Verlag,1998, 537 p.

H?FTMANN (F.W.), Der Preussische Orden Herold, Berlin, Mittler u. Sohn, 1868, 204 p.

H?FTMANN (F.W.), Der Preussische Rote Adler Orden und der K?nigliche Kronen Orden in Urkunde und Bild, Berlin,Decker, 1878, VII-60 p.

KLENAU (A.), SAUERWALD (P.), Die Orden und Ehrenzeichen des Kg. Preu?en, Offenbach, PhaleristischerVerlag, 1998, 120 p.

LADE (K.), Die Preu?ischen Kriegsorden im Weltkriege, Berlin, Max Galle, 1920, 48 p.

LEHMANN (G.), Die Ritter Pour le M?rite, Berlin, Mittler, 1913, 2 vol. XXXXI-671 p., 648 p.

M?LLER (H.), Geschichte der Ritter des Ordens Pour le M?rite im Weltkriege, Berlin, Bernard & Graefe, 1935, 2 vol., XVI-718 p., V-557 p.

O?CONNOR (N.W.), Aviation Award?s of Imperial Germany in World War One, vol. 2, The Kingdom of Prussia, Princeton, New Jersey, 1990, 285 p.

OPHAUS (F.J.), Das Preussische Goldene Milit?r Verdienstkreuz, Berlin, Siegismund, 1936, 211 p.

OPHAUS (F.J.), Helden des Goldene Milit?r Verdienstkreuzes, Berlin, Deutscher Wille, 1939, 107 p.

OPHAUS (F.J.), Unter flattern den Fahnen Helden des Goldenen Milit?r Verdienstkreuz, Berlin, Deutscher Wille, o. J., 108 p.

SAUER (W.), Der K?nigliche Hausorden von Hohenzollern, Steinau, Selbstverlag, 1979, 18 p.

SCH?FFER (E.), Pour le M?rite. Flieger im Feuer, Berlin, Union Verlagsgeselschaft Zweigniederlassung, 1931, 181 p.

SCH?FFER (E.), Pour le M?rite. St?rmer in Grau und Blau, Berlin, Union Verlagsgeselschaft Zweigniederlassung, 1932, 174 p.

WAGNER (J.), Des Orden Pour le M?rite, Hanau, Waisenhaus, 1915, 19 p.

ZIMMERMANN (M.), Das Eiserne Kreuz, Berlin, J. Bard, 1914, III-32 p.

j) Saxe.

Die Orden und Ehrenzeichen von Sachsen, Dresden, M?nzhandlung Gebauer, 1999, 55p.

O?CONNOR (N.W.), Aviation Award?s of Imperial Germany in World War One, vol. 3, The Kingdom of Saxony, Princeton, New Jersey, 1993, 279 p.

RICHTER (G.), Der K?niglich S?chsische Milit?r St-Heinrichs-Orden 1736-1918, Frankfurt a/ M., Verlag Weidlich 1964, 752 p.

ROTH (E.), Sammlung der Statuten, Stiftungsverlasse und Verordnungen bez?glich der Orden und Ehrenzeichen der Kg. Sachsen, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1998, 139 p.

ROTH (E.), Verleihungen des Verdienstorden und des Albrechtsorden des Kg. Sachsen im Ersten Weltkriege, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1998, 273 p.

ROTH (E.), Verleihungen vom Milit?rischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen des Kg. Sachsen, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1997, 140 p.

ROTH (E.), Die Verleihungen des Ritterkreuzes 2. Klasse mit Schwertern des k?niglich s?chsischen Albrechtsordens im Ersten Weltkrieg 1914-1918, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1998, 246 p.

WEBER (D.), ARNOLD (P.), KEIL (P.), Die Orden des K?nigreiches Sachsen, Offenbach, Graf Klenau Verlags GmbH,1997, 312 p.

k) Thuringe.

Ehrenzeichen des Herzogtums Sachsen-Altenburg1814-1918, Altenburg, Schloss und Spielkartenmuseum Altenburg, 2002, 107p.

ILLING (F.G.), Orden und Ehrenzeichen der Staaten Th?ringen 1590-1935, Hildburghausen, Offizin, 1994, 144 p.

FLEISCHER (H.), Das Schwarzburger Milit?r, Rudolstadt, Th?ringer Landesmuseum Heidecksburg, 1994, 240p.

O?CONNOR (N.W.), Aviation Award?s of Imperial Germany in World War One, vol. 5, the aviation awards of the eight Thuringians States and the duchy of Anhalt, Princeton, New Jersey, 1998, 364 p.

ROTH (E.), Verleihungen vom Milit?rischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen des Herzogtums Sachsen Altenburg im Ersten Weltkriege, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1998, 69 p.

l) Waldeck

EFLER (G.), Die Orden und Ehrenzeichen des F?rstentums Waldeck und Pyrmont, Weissenstadt, Druck & Medien Verlag, 2004, 240 p.

ROTH (E.), Verleihungen von milit?rischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen des F?rstentums Waldeck im Ersten Weltkrieg 1914?1918, Offenbach, Phaleristischer Verlag, 1998, 130 p.

m) W?rttemberg.

O?CONNOR (N.W.), Aviation Award?s of Imperial Germany in World War One, vol. 4, The Kingdom of Wurttemberg, Princeton, New Jersey, 1995, 279 p.

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A really nice bibliography/shopping list. Should this be split off and pinned somewhere?

Thanks!

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All of these books are in my collection. I bought my first book ten years ago. You can find some of them in the Walpurgius' website, idem in Weitze's website.

Christophe

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Hi Paul,

The magnum opus -a term coined by Eric consists of four volumes plus an addendum all of which are hard bound and quite professionally done. The four volumes cover all Imperial German states through 1918, the Empire through 1933, Danzig Free State and The Third Reich. They are well illustrated, b/w, with corresponding ribbon tables in color. The four come to a total of 2,478 pages. He has done an excellent job, but with a few errors I will addess momentarliy, giving founding dates, weights, dimensions and other useful information.

The addendum, 274 pages, contains additional information; and I think (hope) some corrections. There are, as can be expected in such a massive undertaking, some errors. For example, the Brunswick Henry the Lion grand cross badge which is pictured is, in fact, a commander?s badge; and he does not acknowledge the existence of the Prussian Crown Order third class with swords and swords on ring when it has been established that two exist - one of which, from George Seymour?s collection, I believe was sold in April.

One point that I really have to credit him on is his acknowledgment of sources; which brings up another publication worthy of note which I did not mention earlier. If a ?bible? exists, it would have to be Hessenthal/Schreiber which covers medals and decorations - no orders.

Also, I would not underestimate the value of Nimmergut?s OEK as a basic reference; but don?t hang your hat on the prices/values.

I was in the process of compiling a list of more specialized books and just noticed Christophe?s post #47 which goes beyond my range. Thank you Christophe!

So Paul, I think that you now have enough to at least get started. I would only add in closing that I am aware of a work in progress which will be another magnum opus; but I sense that it may, and I emphasize may, concentrate on the high end items. I hope that his information is useful, and again, thank you Christophe.

Best wishes,

Wild Card

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