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Hi Gents,

today I wan´t to show you my newest Freikorps purchase.

It´s for the grüne Fangschnur mit dem westfälischen Pferd.

567d0b9c50ce3_BesitzzeugnisgrneFangschnu

I hope you like it too

Regards
Andreas

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10 minutes ago, turtle said:

Nice document! Do you have more stuff from the recipient?

Hi Turtle,

I was able to purchase some of his paperwork

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567d611e85c73_MPRWa.jpg.8e082f2878d95cc0

Kind regards
Andreas

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Hi Chris,

he didn´t see any service at WWI, what I could recognize from the Militärpässe was:

Diensteintritt 15.02.1919 beim Sturm – Lehr – Regiment des Garde Kavallerie Schützen Korps 7. Kompanie

Am 1.4.1919 zur 2.MGK desselben Regiments versetzt

Diente bis zum 31.8.1919 bei dieser Einheit

Diensteintritt 23.09.1919 bei der Radfahr Kompanie des 1.Kurl. Reiter Regiments

Von dort entlassen am 29.10.1919

Diente vom 17.11.1919 bis zum 10.07.1920 beim Stabe der Reichswehrbrigade 7

Kind regards
Andreas

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Great photo of a member of Freikorps Pfeffer. Interestingly, he's wearing the "Fangschnur" incorrectly. It was supposed to attach at the back of the left shoulder board button as he has done, then loop under the arm and attach at the front of the left shoulder board button (not across the chest to the button hole) so that the horse and acorns hung from the left shoulder.

 

I guess he didn't get the memo on how to wear it or just wanted to be different.

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Here is the background.

March, 21, 1919 the Fangschnur was donated to all volunteers of the VII.Army corps, who had three months front-experience in one of the units of that corps.

So the Fangschnur is not an award just for the Freikorps Pfeffer.

FK Pfeffer had the horse-badge on the sleeve.

I assume, the man on the photo belonged to the Eskadron of the Freikorps Pfeffer (One bataillon of Inf.Rgt.13, one Eskadron and one battery)

They were in action in march in Mannheim, then West-Prussia, in april Libau and they came in july back to Westphalia with 3000 men!

The photo was taken in Treptow/Rega. That is in Pomerania, so it´s on the way from Libau to Westphalia.

He wears a cap with the old two cocades. The cap was worn until end of september 1919.

Which number do we see upon the shoulder strap? A 2 or a 7.

In june 1919 the Reichswehr-Brigade Nr.7 Münster was built from troops of the old VII.Army Corps.

Then it will be a 7 upon the strap. So we have the cavalry-regiment 7, light artillery-regiment 7 or heavy artillery-detachement 7.

He might have been served with one of those 7er units. So the photo was taken between june and september 1919.

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22 minutes ago, The Prussian said:

Nice photo, Andreas!

Doi you know, which unit it is?

Hi Andy,

here are the units Enkel served with

567e662fccf8b_EnkelMilitrpaEinheiten.thu

so I´m not really sure which it is

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Hi Andreas!

I have some difficulties to read...

1.12.17: zur 2.Kp./Ersatz ??? Inf.Rgt.75

15.4.18: Genesenen-Kp. Inf.Rgt.75

25.5.18: ?

6.2.19: Detachement Küntzel Garde-Kav.Schtz.Div.

2.6.19: I.Ersatz Freiwilligen Komp. IX.AK Altona

14.9.19: Feld??? 1203

21.6.19: Mannschafts-Ersatz-Depot Brigade Litauen

20.10.19: 3. ??? Inf.Rgt. Stab Eiserne Division Kurland

10.6.20: zum I./13, 2.Kp. Libau

29.5.20: Inf. ??? ??? I/13

Can youb read more? He seemed to change his unit after the actions in Kurland/Litauen

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47 minutes ago, The Prussian said:

Hi Andreas!

I have some difficulties to read...

1.12.17: zur 2.Kp./Ersatz ??? Inf.Rgt.75

15.4.18: Genesenen-Kp. Inf.Rgt.75

25.5.18: ?

6.2.19: Detachement Küntzel Garde-Kav.Schtz.Div.

2.6.19: I.Ersatz Freiwilligen Komp. IX.AK Altona

14.9.19: Feld??? 1203

21.6.19: Mannschafts-Ersatz-Depot Brigade Litauen

20.10.19: 3. ??? Inf.Rgt. Stab Eiserne Division Kurland

10.6.20: zum I./13, 2.Kp. Libau

29.5.20: Inf. ??? ??? I/13

Can youb read more? He seemed to change his unit after the actions in Kurland/Litauen

I think 1.12.17: zur 2.Kp./Ersatz ??? Inf.Rgt.75  is just 1.12.17: zur 2.Kp./Ersatz Inf.Rgt.75  (Esz.). There's not another abbreviation there.

25.5.18: ? = 25.5.18 entl. (entlassen) - discharged

14.9.19: Feld??? 1203 = 14.9.19: Feldäckereikolone 1203

20.10.19: 3. ??? Inf.Rgt. Stab Eiserne Division Kurland  = 20.10.19: 3. Kurl. Inf.Rgt. Stab Eiserne Division Kurland

The last one, I'm not sure of.

29.5.20: Inf. ??? ??? I/13 = 29.5.20: Inf. Verstn. Komp. I/13. It looks like 'Verstn.'. But, I don't know what that could mean. "Verstehenden" (comprehensive) maybe. It's a designation I don't know.

 

By the way, the unit in the photo is: 3. Kurland Inf.Rgt. Stab Eiserne Division Kurland.

He's wearing the Iron Division Medal and the Baltic Cross.

 

 

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Ah, ok.

There were 3 kurländische Inf.Rgt. in the Brigade Kurland. So it will be 3.kurl. Inf.Rgt.

1.Rgt. (Lossow) with I.Btl. Doin, II.Btl. Borcke and III.Btl. Heiberg

2.Rgt. (Kleist) with I.Btl. Liebermann, II.Btl. Balla and III.Btl. from the Ers.Btl. (since october it´s IV.Btl., while a new III,Btl. was set-up (Berthold)

3.Rgt. (Poensgen) with I.Btl. and II,.Btl. Poensgen and III.Btl. Rieckhoff

 

Could "verstn" means "verstärkt"? also verstärkte Kompanie? But that  doesn´t make a sense too...

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I think bolewts58 is right

29.5.20 I can´t read this neither, but it must have something to do with

there is another similar entry Inf. Versh.? Komp I/13 Soest i/ Westf.

Stamped 1. Westf. Reichswehr - Schützen - Regiment Nr. 13

could it be Versuchskompanie or Versorgungskompanie?

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2 hours ago, Hermann said:

First letter is a "P", so could be read as "Pense" (Poensgen?).

No it's not a P. It is a Kurrentschrift V.

I now think it's actually "Verstr." But, if so, I don't know what that abbreviation would be.

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"Verstr." only could mean "verstärkt" (strenghthed, reinforced).

"Verstärkte Kompanie" would be o.k., but the "Inf." before doesn´t make any sense in german language.

"Inf. Vers.Komp."? (Infantry experimental company) But what sense would that be? In may 1920 the regiments were budgetary set-up.

I´ll try to get the regimental history of IR13, Maybe it helps...

By the way, here I have a photo with a mysterious arm patch. Some of them wear a skullhead upon the cap, but on the diagonal strap of the 3rd man in the back line I read I.R.13

Does someone know the arm-patch below the MG-sniper-badge???

Freikorps (Totenkopf, Wappen, MG).JPG

 

Freikorps (Totenkopf, Wappen, MG) - Kopie.JPG

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Hi Chris!

That could be "Verstallungs-Kommando"?

Those people were responsible for the horses.

Marstall were the royal stables.

But I´ve never heard about that for an infantry unit in 1920...

Andreas, whith your permission I´ll show it in the Feldgrau-Forum.

What about a "W"? Wirtschafts-Kompanie? (Economy-company)

 

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Hi Andy,

of course you can show it in the Feldgrau - Forum.

I wonder why there isn´t a grade classification for the grüne Fangschnur.

Cheers

Andreas

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Hello!

Probably it´s called "Verstärkungs-Kompanie" The regiments or bataillons had "Ersatz-Komp."

What makes me puzzled, is the 13. The Inf.Rgt.13 always was in the west.

In Courland there was a Freiwilligen-Regiment Libau with three bataillons.Set-up march 1919 from the Freiw. Btl. 6,9, and 5. It became in september 1919 a Reichswehr-Btl. Libau. But it became later II./RW-Inf.Rgt.62. That could be interesting!

The two bataillons Lichtschlag (II. and III./62) formed the RW-Rgt.107. They were reinforced bei the Bataillon Libau (became II.Btl./62 AND the Freikorps Pfeffer!

End of may 1920 the regiments 61 and 62 became parts of the 7.RW-Brigade. The RW.Inf.Rgt.13 was part of the 7th brigade too!

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Hi Andy,

we are talking about different persons?!

Wehrmann Breuer vom Stabe der Reichswehrbrigade 7

and Schütze Enkel from Reichswehr Schützen Regiment 13, 2. Kompanie ( Libau )

Regards
Andreas

 

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