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Bulgarian Red Cross Medal

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Hi New World,

The temporary status applied only for the Austrian Awards I am not familiar with the Awards That was passed as information to me

The asterisk is the mark for Brass and I am 100% sure about that

If you are not sure about this information take your St Alexander Award to a jeweler and test it

 

Here is some information from Military  dealers from around the world-,Austria, North America and UK

-FRANZ JOSEPH ORDEN, Ritterkreuz mit der Kleindekoration zum Offizierskreuz mit KD.
AE - vergoldet und emailliert, im ovalen Bandring Sternchenpunze(Starmark)

  Note:  AE is  Bronze/Brass,  AR is Silver AU is Gold

-Military Merit Order 3rd class (Commander) with original full length ribbon. WW1 period (late Ferdinand issue). Most likely of Austrian manufacture (probably Schwerdtner). Suspension eye marked with a 'star punch' which was customary for Austrian decorations marked for replacement in gold/silver gilt after the War. Ultimately, we are uncertain why the mark is there (for this is not an Austrian decoration) but interesting never the less - undoubtedly of War period manufacturing. Gilded

Note: This is Bulgarian Award

 

- Order of Franz Joseph Knight badge in bronze gilt with star hallmark

 

However, perhaps we can ask the Members in the Austrian Section who are more knowledgeable  for more clarification

Graf

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ID: 77   Posted (edited)

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Hi New Word,

I have more information regarding your question

It is from a Austrian Dealer and expert on Austrian Decoration and Orders

"I send you scans. Gold and silver punches until the end of 1918.

The circled ones are the most common.

The Sternchenpunze is always only on bronze. Attention there are different,

depending on the manufacturer." See the scans above.

 

One is for sure Star mark is for Bronze made decorations and Orders

 

I also made a request on the Astro-Hungarian Forum. You can follow it as well

 

Regards

 

Graf

 

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Thank you, this is very interesting info!

We now established that these badges were made in Austria.

I don't think the asterisk marks Red Cross badges for being war period (these were approximately from 1890-1900s, there was no war in Austria at the time).

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Hi New World,

 

So far It is for sure that the Star mark is for items made of bronze and it is an Austrian mark. It looks like that they are made at any time not just war time Also that there are different Star marks used by the different makers

. I have to follow the link about the info for the practice of replacement of some of the Decorations to prove it or to rule it out

Back to the detective work ha ha ha

 

Best

 

Graf

 

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HI New World,

 

this is the  latest reply from the Austrian dealer expert it was very kind of him

 

yes, this was true. It was planned to replace the Bronze decorations after the war but due to the end of the Habsburg monarchy, quite understandable no replacements took place.

 

Best regards,

 

 

Best

 

Graf

 

 

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ID: 82   Posted (edited)

Hi New World,

 

Further detective work found

1 The Star mark is not a hallmark It was a  mark  stamped on products manufactured in the most common materials available to jewelers such bronze, copper, nickel and (especially) tombak.

-the star-mark denotes "unedles Metall", so not gold, platina or silver, and is not a hallmark, but is believed to be an (Austrian) jewellers mark to assist in identification of the type of metal used (and thus: the commercial value) of the piece.
2. During the WW1 the jewelers were being asked to refrain from the usage of .all precious metals and also zinc and nickel and several other alloys( needed for the military purpose). The use of copper/bronze/brass and tombak (a brass/copper/zinc alloy) was introduced and the items were marked with the Star mark and sometimes the maker mark. 

3.The different makers used different Star marks, because it was not an approved hallmark and the awarded people were advised that they can replace them precious metals when the time allows

4. Precious metals were still but the Orders and decorations were very expensive

5 Because many Orders for other countries, including Bulgaria, were made in Austria, the makers used the Star mark when the Order was made from copper/bronze/brass and tombak i suspect that many of those countries during and around WW1 period ordered  decorations  from  copper/bronze/brass and tombak due to the high cost. ONLY for special occasions they ordered expensive decorations

That is why not many Bulgarian decorations exist made of Gilded Silver and only handful luxury.

We know that later King Boris III was very modest person , and also very well controlled by the Bulgarian Government. During his period even much less decorations from precious metals were made

This trend was followed by other countries as well The extravaganza of the earlier periods before  WW! period was not there any more The use of precious metals was significantly reduced due to economic and other factors

 

Graf

 

 

 

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so, based on the above facts - can we conclude that badges marked with asterisks were made during WWI period?

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It started during WW! period however continued later on, which is obvious from your St Alexander Officer Cross and other Decorations from a later periods. I have to check my Decorations...till now I never looked fro this mark

From all the information i managed to get  nobody knows exactly when this mark was introduced, because there is not official document The year 1916 is the most speculated one

It is believed that one of the makers introduced it and the rest followed with their own star marks

When was stopped no one is sure, however it continued well  after WW1

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