Peter_Suciu Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I'm looking for a nice Home Service Helmet. Any good dealers that anyone can recommend? I assume these vary in price on condition, but also unit insignia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 (edited) You mean as in civil defense/ARP? Edited March 24, 2006 by Ulsterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Suciu Posted March 24, 2006 Author Share Posted March 24, 2006 You mean as in civil defense/ARP?No, I mean the pre-WWI British dress helmets. I guess they could be called spiked helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 (edited) you mean like this? Lot 672http://www.wallisandwallis.co.uk? Edited March 24, 2006 by Ulsterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Maclean Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Yes they are going to vary in price mostly on condition. The badge was generally a generic star with a removable Helmet Plate Centre (HPC), you can pick these up on that online auction site but be aware the HPCs and the Helmet Plates are reproduced. The fakers are doing a pretty good job as there doesn't seem to be that many surviving examples of the real thing, and nobody seems to be getting into the identification of these fakes yet.Royal Engineers and Royal Artillery also wore this helmet but the helmet plate was a variation on the Royal Arms and the helmet had a ball top rather than a spike.Officers helmets had gilt fittings and a different pattern plate, other ranks were brass. Volunteers, Militia and Territorials had white metal fittings as shown in the scan provided by Ulsterman, a nice officers Home Service Helmet to the 7th Hampshires or their predecessors. Very scarce and would cost an arm and a leg.As for the helmet itself being faked, I did see a reference on another site and can't remember for the life of me but it concerns the number of segments the helmet is made from. They aren't fakes they're police helmets made to look like HS helmets.Unless you particularly want an attributed example go for the best condition helmet and add the plate of your choice. Military auctioneers such as Wallis and Wallis, Bosley's etc have got to be the better bet.Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 i have got to agree with the Bosley recomendationfrom my collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Maclean Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 That's a gem Chris.Why the ball top though? I'd always associated them with Arms and Services rather than infantry. I've a couple of helmet plates but not the helmet. I'm definitely starting to 'feel the need'. There's room in the cabinet or would be if I got one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 That's a gem Chris.Why the ball top though? I'd always associated them with Arms and Services rather than infantry. I've a couple of helmet plates but not the helmet. I'm definitely starting to 'feel the need'. There's room in the cabinet or would be if I got one Thanks Jimit's a surgeons helmet...hence the ball, to be more exact it's Surgeon Major J Deacon's helmet of the 3rd Volunteer Battalion Manchester Regiment (Vol Batt hence the silver rather than gilt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Suciu Posted March 27, 2006 Author Share Posted March 27, 2006 Thank you for all the information. I think these are great helmets. I know I really need to focus more with helmets, but I just love the idea of lots of pieces from different times.I'll post photos of the one I am purchasing when it arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Thank you for all the information. I think these are great helmets. I know I really need to focus more with helmets, but I just love the idea of lots of pieces from different times.I'll post photos of the one I am purchasing when it arrives.i look forward to seeing it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Maclean Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 i look forward to seeing it!Me too Peter, don't forgetChris, I'm a bit baffled by a Surgeon Major wearing an infantry HP. I believe there was a RAMC volunteers. I'm not doubting, just confused and seeking a bit of clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Me too Peter, don't forgetChris, I'm a bit baffled by a Surgeon Major wearing an infantry HP. I believe there was a RAMC volunteers. I'm not doubting, just confused and seeking a bit of clarification.don't forget this was pre 1908, the 3rd VB had their own medical chap to administer to them, he's on the army list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 don't forget this was pre 1908, the 3rd VB had their own medical chap to administer to them, he's on the army list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Maclean Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Thanks for that Chris, I'm afraid I'm not that familiar with the organisation of the Volunteers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Suciu Posted March 29, 2006 Author Share Posted March 29, 2006 I was bidding on this book and then forgot about it, and got outbid:Home Service Helmet 1878-1914, Collectors Series, by Robert & Christopher Wilkinson-Latham. Anyone know where I obtain a copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 Can't help with the book Peter, never seen it and can't find it on Abebookshere's my helmet again with an infantry version (which lives in the manchesters museum)(From "The Volunteer Infantry of Ashton" Robert Bonner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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