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Different Types of Order of Labor III

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Order was instituted in 1945 as Order of Labor 3rd class (Орден рада 3. реда). Name was changed in 1961 when it became Order of Labor with Silver Wreath (Орден рада са сребрним венцем). According to Stojan Rudež it was awarded 182.910 times until the end of 1985 making it second most awarded Yugoslav order.
First orders were made in ZIN (Zavod za izradu novčanica) Belgrade or to be more precise ZNB (Zavod narodne banke) what was the mint's name at the time. Apart from that they were made in IKOM Zagreb. 
Order of Labor 2nd and 3rd class and Order of Bravery are the only orders that were made out of cheaper material (Tombac) since their institution.

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Type 1A: ZIN with screw, smaller screw nut with Cyrillic inscription Z.N.B KOVNICA (З.Н.Б КОВНИЦА)
Older types come in typical small red boxes.
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Type 1B: Remade ZIN type 1A, screw was cut off and double horizontal needle was put instead of it. Those needles were used by IKOM so I presume they remade the order. This type is relatively rare.
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Type 1C: Remade ZIN type 1A, screw was cut off and "fat" vertical needle was put instead of it. Number is still partially visible. IKOM used that type of needles on Order of Military Merits and Order of the People's Army so I presume they remade the order. This type is the rarest.
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Type 2A: ZIN with vertical needle with inscription ZNB - KOVNICA on it.
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Type 2B:  ZIN with vertical needle with inscription ZIN - KOVNICA on it.
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Type 3: IKOM with double horizontal needle. This one is special to me because it was awarded to a family member and I started my socialist era collection with it.
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Type 3: Same as above but with blue box.
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One more type 1A, this one is interesting because most of the silvering is gone. It's not so unusual to see an ad or auction for this older type with description "silver order". Here you can see what kind of metal they used.
This particular example has relatively small number and it must have been awarded in the '40s maybe even as early as 46-47.
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Greetings Gunner 1 and thank you for sharing images of orders from your collection.
If I can see well first one has Roman numeral on the back side, most of them don't have any marks. 
As for the boxes I think there's only a few more different ones, among others early small red one with light blue interior. That one is very unusual because it looks like it was made for prototype of the order.

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paja:  Yes, the first one does have a Roman numeral on the back side.  Interesting that you should mention the small red box with the blue interior.  I have one with a title on the lid indicative of a third class of the order, ORDEN / RADA / III / REDA,   but the indentation in the blue interior has the shape of a Type I Order of Labor.  When I purchased the item it contained a Third Class insignia Type 1A numbered 1316.

I also have slightly smaller, somewhat deeper red-colored box for the II Class of the order with a red interior.  It is a Type I, numbered 460.

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That's it! I called that type prototype because I don't know were they awarding it at all. I always thought of them as some variation of the order that was not accepted. 

Order from your collection is not the first one I saw with that kind of box, over the years I've seen quite a few of them. My first thought when I saw one was that it must be for the 1st class order, but just like in your case the inscription on the lid said III class. Also when you look at the shape of indentation you'll notice that the box can't be for the 1st class. I've also seen boxes with the indentation upside down.

Early 2nd class orders I think had more different types of those small boxes. I've seen grayish with black interior and red with light brownish, light blue and red velvet like interior. When it comes to 3rd class I don't remember seeing any other type other than the red one with velvet like and light blue interior. 

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Rare type of Order of Labor .

Length 45 mm width 41 mm made in the Belgrade Institute for Manufacturing Banknotes

Red box in the previous publication has been made for this Order 

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Thank You Balkan Collector

It is very rare and hard to finde order. You can finde lot of original boxes for this order so I  think it is withdrawn  the whole series or it is very little Awarded. This type I saw only in III class.

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I have an Order of Labor III class from ZIN kovnica (number cca 8000) which is quite low but I've never seen anything like this one you posted. Thanks for expanding my knowledge on this matter.

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Thank you very much for those photos. Just a few of them are circulating the internet and they are not very good.
In my opinion this first type/prototype looks much better. Too bad they didn't keep/accept that design...
It would be great if someone could reveal the story behind it, were they being awarded at all or not?
Anyway here's one of those other photos found at sammler. IKOM perhaps, number is different and the screw nut is very unusual.
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Greetings Georg,

Take a look at type 1C above. The seller claimed he tested it with acid and it came positive. I kind of suspected it's really silver and bought it anyway because I didn't have that variant. When it arrived I noticed he really tested it but once I got it in my hands I could see there's no way it's really silver. So what's the deal, I think these orders are silverplated and people are not doing the acid test the way it should be done.

Here's a nice explanation I found online: "If you attempt to test your items yourself, make sure you take a sample from well below the silverplate. Silverplate will show a positive test for silver if you apply acid directly on to it. You must make a deep groove in the piece so you are below the plating before you can apply your acid. This is the most accurate way to test silver by yourself, as this is the method most jewelers use." 
 

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Correct explanation. Unfortunately miracles did not happen ;)...  Thanks !

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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You are welcome! That's just my opinion.
I have the same type of 2nd class order with a smaller number. One thing has been puzzling me ever since I go it. Silverplate has been lost on some parts and you can clearly see yellowish metal underneath. At the same time central part has been damaged and the metal underneath has silver color! How is this possible? 
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Good Day !

That's only my opinion too.

At first it is necessary to make the analysis of metal at the most damaged places – white metal or maybe silver?

1. Pay attention: that attritions at marked places are not on convex places of a relief, i.e. it is not an attrition, but a covering.  Even though it is necessary to carefully watch live.

2. The gilding has a strange tint (if not photo's defect), not like factory made.

So, may be: gilding is not accurately restored and orden's basis – white metal (if not silver). 00.JPG.11b3ffa6b25c7ef371f99ddbee516ca5.JPG

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Greetings Georg and thank you for expressing your opinion.
When I got this order it was in terrible shape, apart from the damage you can see it looked like as if it was submerged in some kind of oil. That wasn't patina but some black stuff which I barely cleaned. I never clean decorations but this one was in so bad state that I had to do something. You can still see traces of that black thing on couple of places, especially on the screw nut. 
Perhaps that's the reason why the gilt looks strange.
I made couple of photos, I hope this one can show that the silver plate is lost. That doesn't look like a trace of golden color or anything left over after gilding, silver plate layer is on top.
Unfortunately I'm not able to test the order, but I would be very surprised if it turned out to be silver, I think that's not very likely.
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