Stogieman Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 ...... in thinking about this for the last few minutes..... I have never seen a "foreign" award from a German maker/jeweler that had a case titled in the "foreign" language. The cases either have a German language title, abbreviation or nothing at all. But these TWM cases are titled in Arabic........ which of course then comes the next question:If a Turkish maker, why the "Roman" letters for the maker's name stamp??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 If B.B. & Co. was a Turkish company and expected to export any of its products, it would make sense to use Latin alphabet characters for customers outside the Arab-speaking world, rather than something many people would not even recognise as writing, let alone a name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 here are some of my moons, the one on the top is your ebay-moon Stogie which deceided to share my collection, very good opinion in my eyes... The maker is not to see on the picture, it is not Schneider Wein, but our old friends from the high class order society of Austria "Br?der Schneider Wien" (Schneider Brothers Vienna) - I haven`t had a moon of that maker before... very rare!!!!It is a very good quality work, unfortunately damaged, but still good to look at...Heiko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 "Br?der Schneider Wien" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Les Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Gentlemen, for your viewing pleasure, three of mine. The one on the left is a Godet made item (GODET-BERLIN stamped on the pin with an Austrian import mark partially obscuring the word Berlin), one of the commonplace "BB" made ones, and the one on the right is top notch quality but nary a mark or indication of who made it. I've shown it to at least one Turkish medal specialist (on "another forum") and he said he never saw another like it. I bought all of these within the last five years or so, and prices....not much more than a decent EKI at the time I bought the Godet or unmarked one. The high prices on these seem to be relatively recent, and pushed at least one of the "dealer gods" whose names must not be uttered while it's dark outside. Stogie used his initials on the paralell thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 ...and da' back side of the moon...The photos are on the small side, however I can if anyone wants show closeups with better details of the one on the right.Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Yes please! I have never seen the teeny tughra squiggles like that before either. One of the things which MAY help identify specific unmarked makers' products, if we are lucky enough to find original sales catalogs, is the unique way each "swank" maker chose to pattern the enamel rays, star borders, tughra shapes and so on.The endless variety-- for what was, after all, a relatively small retail market-- is fascinating. Recent "market trends" aside, these stars would make ideal long term collecting pursuits, just to turn up variants never known before.Like the "straight line" Schneider Brothers, for instance. Even during the First World War they were using their later-famous upside down clover BSW mark (I have one in microscopic gold on the rim of a zinky 1917-18 Karl Troop Cross). I suspect that if the pin on that poor mangled piece hadn't been replaced, the wartime Austrian base metal alloy "*" mark would have been on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Rick,Here's the close-up of the obverse. I'll upload the reverse in a follow-up post. I'm trying to work with the 60k limit on uploaded images which can handicap hi-resolution images.Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 ...and the reverse side with details of how the turgha is fastened to the bade, the hinge and clasp details. The construction details suggests one or two possible makers, but so far, until a marked one turns up, this one goes into the unidentified column.Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodor Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Hi guys, great stars you have! Not long ago I managed at last to find one for myself. It's a BB&Co marked. The seller has had other in the past, again the same maker. There was a question quite long ago, which maker would turn up in Bulgaria. Well, that's it! Maybe others, too, but so far have information only for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodor Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 The back side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 gordon et al -here's a bit of a brain teaser for you.thses pictures do it no real justice, andit comes in a case with the upper inside lidinscribedBruder SchneiderK.u.k Hof-u. ArmeelieferantenWIEN, V.Siebenbrunneng, 18.same manufacturer marking for case and award.i have some thoughts: i'd love to hear yours.thanks,joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 hinge, pin, clasp assembly.BTW, i am certain and comfortable that this isperiod enamel and original condition.a penny for your thoughts.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted September 26, 2005 Author Share Posted September 26, 2005 Is that white enamel on the Star or reflection on silver metal ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 yup!that is white enamel...and herr nimmergut has seen it.more on that later.so what do you think?joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 That is the most BIZARRE "off specs" version I have EVER seen!Now, the arms I might have ventured were repaired... and some dimbulb having stuck one with white "fill in" then did the others to match. BUT the CENTER was made with a red enamel crescent not a metal one...so it looks like this was made that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 These are great pieces. BUT .. like Gordon says ... don't buy one or next thing you know ... you have 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 this "one-off" has been seen by at least 8 or 9 imperial collectors and dealers who agree thatthis is the way it was made.i got my fingers rapped by my mentor forpositing several thoughts, but i have wonderedwhether it might be an award to a female?a non-combatant of some high rank or highpolitical station.who knows?herr nimmergut apparently showed jpegs ofit to a number of his acquaintances and all basicallysaid "i don't know....".it may remain an unanswered question,but it sho' nuff is a beauty!! joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Tezer Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 A really interesting variant. I've seen other non-spec variants, including one with red and white enamel, but not one like this. It looks totally right and period to me, but there's no way to conclude whether it was intended for a female, a high-ranking officer, a prizefighter or dog walker or whatever. It's just a deluxe private purchase variant for a buyer who wanted to show off. Cool thing.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Jr. Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Hi,Here is mine. Just arrived at home this week! Douglas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 a very fine example, douglas!i am waiting to see a really cherry example ofthe painted version. essentially all the ones i'veseen are in rather poor repair.thanks for the fine pictures everyone!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Evil Ricky has/? had QUITE a "nice" painted type onehttp://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=6...findpost&p=3837I don't think I've ever seen a "nicer" version of that awful version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 one doesn't know whether to crawl into a holefor lack of opening one's eyes or to saythank you.... yes, 'tis the nicest i've seen,but aren't there some mint/unissued pieces out there???joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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