Jump to content
Gentleman's Military Interest Club
Gordon Williamson

Turkish War Medal

Recommended Posts

You say that 200 Euro is a bargain. So, what is the standard value for a silver example with undamaged enamel? My notions of value must be way out of date.

Chip

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Iyamwitchu, brudda. Although my heart WOULD go "pit-a-pat" faster at being able to clutch an undamaged JH Werner example (sadly, the Admiral's is cracked) for a less than ransom amount, no matter how fancy-schmancy, the TWM was the BOTTOM of the Turkish awards system, and UGLY as the tawdry, undersized, YUCKY Liakat Medals are,

a TWM is still Only A TWM...

so until people start paying proportional prices UP for Liakats, Imtiazs, and the two Orders with Sabers, TWMs have got to be more reasonable or I pass. (Name me a GERMAN decoration where the LOWEST class costs more than the same-issue's HIGHER grades?...)

Mostly I pass. "Market forces" aren't forcing ME, and what amounts most often to German recipients as a glorified WW1 campaign medal just isn't worth EK1+ prices to me.

I would love to have one of every variety. But ain'tagonna happen at current prices. So I "lose out," c'est la vie. I am notoriously a non-investor, so what something is "worth" to somebody else, doesn't mean the same to me. (Tamara obsession, et cetera...)

I'm just glad to be a Happy Time Traveller who got what I did when I did...

when The Past was "today." :rolleyes::cheeky:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"I'm just glad to be a Happy Time Traveller who got what I did when I did..."

A big AMEN to that brother. Thank goodness that I started 40 years ago. Today, I am down to collecting postcards and a shoulder board here and there. I'm afraid to tell my kids what this stuff is worth today (I want to stick around a few more years!).

:lol:

Chip

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Although I don't yet have any documents to men that received this award, this example has joined my small collection of pinback awards.

It seems to be made of plated brass and the paint finish can only be described as "cheap".

[attachmentid=17236]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And this Waldeck and Hessen ribbon bar also features the TWM ribbon:

[attachmentid=17239]

[attachmentid=17240]

I think that your hessian bar might have this vice the TWM. The Hessian General Bravery Award.

Don

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Don,

I considered that explanation but discounted it for the following reasons.

If the red and white ribbon were for the Hessisches Kriegsehrenzeichen, which from the award documents I have seen I understand was generally for services rendered on the home front, then it seems unlikely that it would be worn on the same bar as the other Hessen award, unless that were for a non-com grade of the Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen (e.g. for merit or faithful service) or the Milit?r-Sanit?ts-Kreuz worn on the blue ribbon for font-line service.

The Waldeck ribbon features a sword device, which also contradicts the non-com status for the Kriegsehrenzeichen.

Perhaps my conclusion is a bit simplistic, but the TWM seemed more logical to me. It also matches the following bar, which tempts me to identify it as a TWM:

IPB Image

David

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi,

Great thread with some very nice (and some ugly) examples!

My single contribution to follow. Nice enamel work and heavy hinge/pin/catch but no rivets or maker mark.

Regards

Mike K

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Hessian General Decoration (see post #84 above) came as both a "General Decoration" which would match up nicely with the Kriegsehrenzeichen from Hesse. It also came on the same ribbon as "General Bravery Decoration, or "Tapferkeits=Medaille" which could still pair up with either the KEZ, or the TWM!

My inclination on this one is that it is the Hesse piece..... the TWM ribbon is a visibly deeper shade of red in most cases. I'm also quite sure that there's no shortage of "close enough for gubmint" things that occur, so I think without documents, one will never be able to be 100% on this issue.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would say that it is a Hesse piece as well, for combattants and non-combattants there are many possibilities for Hesse medals (long service, landwehr, Kriegsehrenzeichen...) and it would match that bar more than a turkish war medal... look at the bar attached.

Heiko

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Heiko, I'm just looking for nice near mint example by any German maker. If you have something send me a PM and I will respond with my email address so you can send me some pictures.

Thanks, amigo.

Bob

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

what really is crazy about this is that the higbidder and winner had put 3 more bids with a higher value!!!!! I don`t want to imagine what could have been happened.....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

several things may have driven up the price

on this TWM - which IS overpriced!!

beautiful enamel;

"open" silver work on the obverse

and the unusual maker mark.

it's one i wouldn't mind having!

joe

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Joe,

of course it is a very beautiful TWM.... but for this price you will nearly get a cased Godet one!!! And this star was from Werner/Berlin, I have seen 5 or 6 from this maker in this quality during the last year, it is not too rare.... there are TWM`s with more rare makers out there.

For me this price is really crazy!!!

Heiko

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

×