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Alex K   

Hi all, a little bit of help and advice if possible, I have spent my entire collecting interest in mainly European ODM's but my interest has recently migrated to Oriental/Far East of which I admit know very little but find very interesting, Imperial Japanese/Korean and Manchukuo, I think I've got my head around, however Imperial Chinese has me stumped, so my quest assistance. To start with a simple (To some maybe) question, Order of the Double Dragon, type 2, 3rd class, grades 1, 2, 3, how do you tell the difference?, attached is a composite image (with Credits), they all look identical to me, is it size?, or gilt/silver variations, unfortunately as composite images I don't know the scales, any help appreciated.

 

regards

 

Alex K

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Gavin Goh's book on the Order of the Double Dragon, give full information on the inscriptions and how to tell the various grades. Gavin is a member of this forum and I expect he would be able to source you a copy.

Paul

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drclaw   

Thanks for the plug Paul!

Hi Alex, I still have a few copies of the book left (down to the last 20 actually). If you are interested, send me a PM. The cost is USD 25 + 12 postage.

To answer your question on the different grades of the 3rd class, look at the ring surrounding the blue centre stone. For the 1st grade, five-petalled flowers. 2nd grade, T-shaped pattern. 3rd grade, M-shaped pattern.

Gavin

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Alex K   

Hi Gavin sorry for the delay in responding, the differences are obvious now when you know where to look!, thanks

 

Alex K

 

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Alex K   

Hi all, bought Gavin's book and a very nice and informative tome it is, lots of interesting information. With regards to the elusive type 2 Baoxing 1st grade 1st class, I came across this line drawing of the whole range (image credit shown) based on this line drawing and information in Gavin's book which seems to match quite closely the line drawing, I decided to do an "Artists impression", attached is my effort, comments, good or bad as to accuracy welcomed.

 

nb The dragons are based on the image of the 1st type first grade also from the same site

 

regards

 

Alex K

dd types copy china scenic.JPG

The first version, first c copy.JPG

Untitled-combined 1000.JPG

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drclaw   

Glad to hear the book arrived safely!

I really like your artists impression of the Second Type First Class First Grade. I'm not aware of any specimens but that's not to say one might not be lurking in a dusty cabinet in a palace museum somewhere.

Regarding the First Type First Class Third Grade image above, it's a Rothe reproduction made in the 1960s. They occasionally crop up at auction. A certain auction house rather disingenuously labels them as "extremely rare of Austrian manufacture" or something along that line.

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Alex K   

Hi Gavin thanks for the vote of confidence, didn't realise they 3rd class was a repro? what about the type 1 1st grade, 1st class?

 

Alex

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drclaw   

The First Class First Grade appears to be the same specimen that was sold in the 2008 Tammann collection auction.

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