Eric Gaumann Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Radmilo, Many thanks for doing this (and the other) threads here. I'm slowly working backwards through this forum finding out a lot of great information. I've added an old image of my T1.2.1. It has no hallmarks sadly but the patina on this old image (no more than 10 years old) makes it almost surely silver. The light gray patina on the screwplate you see here has changed to a very dark gray/almost charcoal black. And the reverse of the Order is very smooth and reflective while continuing to patinate more slowly. It's very 'shinny'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCollector Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Nice one Eric! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 Don't mention it, Eric. It took me a few years to collect all those variants, I'm in the process of doing the same for the 2nd class. I just need to find a couple more and then I'll start a separate topic about it. I'm pretty sure your order is made out of silver even though it's not hallmarked. When I described that type on the previous page I even wrote: "Some examples were not hallmarked." I don't know why is that the case, perhaps the simply forgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 1/18/2018 at 08:18, paja said: I'm in the process of doing the same for the 2nd class. I just need to find a couple more and then I'll start a separate topic about it. Looking forward to the 2C thread. I'm in the market for one right now; it's gotta be a screwback with a hallmark and not "shinny" though. They are somewhat common on ebay at the moment; just got to find a good price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 Good luck with your search, hopefully you'll find a nice piece for a fair price. So far I collected six type&variants, I just have to find a two or three more and then I'll start a separate topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 20 hours ago, paja said: Good luck with your search, hopefully you'll find a nice piece for a fair price. I think I just bought a good one. Will share when it arrives and you start the new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Here it is. It took a while to get from Bosnia to Florida but it was worth the wait. Second Class, earlier version. Sorry I can't focus any better on the hallmarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCollector Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) Beautiful piece! I like the fact no one tried to clean it. I've been searching for a good early 2nd class for a while now. Edited May 15, 2018 by BalkanCollector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 It took me a few months of searching on ebay but it was worth it. Big delay with Bosnia post (over a month) so it caused some concern but all's well that ends well. Less than US$ 30 including P&P. Any guess on the date of production with the 24k serial number? Late 1940s? Oh, and here it is in the new display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCollector Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 That's a good deal and a very nice collection! I would say that your piece was produced in 1945 or 1946. Note that I'm making a guess because I have a same type screw IKOM 3rd class awarded in April 1946 with a number 93,633. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 hours ago, BalkanCollector said: That's a good deal and a very nice collection! I would say that your piece was produced in 1945 or 1946. Note that I'm making a guess because I have a same type screw IKOM 3rd class awarded in April 1946 with a number 93,633. Thanks for your information and your kind words. So it was produced in 1945/46 but we really have no idea when it was awarded, or if it was awarded, do we? Not necessarily this particular piece but since we see so many unissued Yugo awards available it makes me wonder why they made so many awards than they needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCollector Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I would say your piece was awarded. It has nice patina and signs of wear. To be honest all those unawarded pieces look too good to be true. A few collectors opened my eyes by poiting out some details which lead to think those unawarded pieces are very suspicious. You can check the topic Shinny IKOM orders and see what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drugo Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) Nice orders, everybody. Given the question about serial numbers and awarding dates, I am sharing pictures of a nice early OZN III class with documents from my collection. Serial number 15284, awarded in April 1946 to the Slovenian Branko Pocar. Luckily, a few more papers allow to add something more about this soldier, which is almost never the case with Yugoslavian awards... The award came with his military discharge: Branko was born on the 1st of May, 1925 (so what else could he become if not a partisan? ), in a small village on the Italo-Slovenian border, Štjak. He was a farmer. He joined the Liberation Front on 17 September 1943, at the age of 18. He served until 17 April 1947, leaving the ranks as sergeant and with a severance pay of 5,000 dinars. In august 1949, he was in Maribor, Slovenia. Here he joined the veteran's association, SUBNOR, and thanks to this we are able to know his face: He kept paying his membership until 1988... In addition to this, I can only add that I have my grandfather's certificate (unfortunately the certificate only, the award went missing), stating that he got his OZN III class on 7 October 1947, order number 48447. Balkan Collector mentioned an order 93k awarded in April 1946. As we know, Yugoslav orders were not awarded strictly in progressive order, so without a certificate pointing to the exact year is pretty much anybody's guess... Still 1946-47 seems the most reasonable period. Edited May 20, 2018 by Drugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCollector Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Remarkable set Drugo! Do you have his other awards as I belive he could have at least gotten a bravery order and medal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drugo Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) Unfortunately not, this is all there was on offer... Here's another OZN III early ZIN type that I had once and gave away after getting the above one. It's a close serial, 14942. What is interesting is that the shaft on this one is much longer, I don't know why. This is something I noticed from time to time, on some other early ZIN orders. It was probably not very comfortable to wear on the chest. Edited May 21, 2018 by Drugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Drugo said: What is interesting is that the shaft on this one is much longer, I don't know why. Great set! Thanks. Re: the shaft. In the Soviet Union these were occasionally shortened by the owners to lessen the poke-in-the-chest factor. And it's usually fairly obvious when they've been shortened. This may be the case in Yugoslavia, or it may be differing suppliers(if such a thing existed) delivered different shaft lengths or perhaps even theft of material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCollector Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 My piece has a long shaft. I've never actually payed much attention to that detail so thanks for pointing that out. Also, I have this box for the 3rd class. It has number 87,436 written on the bottom. I'm assuming it's a box for the shorter shaft version since my order which has the number 93,633 sticks out when it's in the box. You can see it doesn't fit like it's supposed to. Here's the better photo of the reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drugo Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 5 hours ago, BalkanCollector said: Also, I have this box for the 3rd class. It has number 87,436 written on the bottom. I'm assuming it's a box for the shorter shaft version since my order which has the number 93,633 sticks out when it's in the box. I don't believe that boxes were differentiated according to shaft length. What usually happened was that the longer shafts or sharper ends would simply pierce the inner fabric of the box, making space for the shaft. As for what concerns the reason why there are different shafts, I don't think they were shortened at a later stage, as Eric rightly states, the cut would be obvious to detect. Why they came out in different lenghts, it's hard to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCollector Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Small addition to my Orders of Merit for the People. ZIN type, second class in it's original box. It's interesting that so far I have three second classes and only one third class order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 What's written on the bottom of the box? "BROJ ORDENA: 4106 BROJ. UKAZA (27205.)" Obviously one is a serial number, but the rest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCollector Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Ukaz broj # (decree number #). Here's an example of it from my collection. It's in the second row from the bottom, right before date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Ah! Now I see it. Thanks (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCollector Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 No problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner 1 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 A box for a 3rd Class that I have not seen before. The reverse of the third class order contained in the box has been converted from screw back to a vertical pin back with ZIN KOVINICA. Folded in the box was an award document and a second document that I have not yet identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCollector Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 The second document is an invitation for awarding ceremony. It was presented by the Association of fighters of People's Liberation War (SUBNOR-Savez udruženja boraca Narodnooslobodilačkog rata). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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