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Yugoslavia - Order of Merits for the People III

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Radmilo,  Many thanks for doing this (and the other) threads here.  I'm slowly working backwards through this forum finding out a lot of great information.

I've added an old image of my T1.2.1.  It has no hallmarks sadly but the patina on this old image (no more than 10 years old) makes it almost surely silver.  The light gray patina on the screwplate you see here has changed to a very dark gray/almost charcoal black.  And the reverse of the Order is very smooth and reflective while continuing to patinate more slowly.  It's very 'shinny'.

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Don't mention it, Eric. 
It took me a few years to collect all those variants, I'm in the process of doing the same for the 2nd class. I just need to find a couple more and then I'll start a separate topic about it.
I'm pretty sure your order is made out of silver even though it's not hallmarked. When I described that type on the previous page I even wrote: "Some examples were not hallmarked." I don't know why is that the case, perhaps the simply forgot :)

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On 1/18/2018 at 08:18, paja said:

 I'm in the process of doing the same for the 2nd class. I just need to find a couple more and then I'll start a separate topic about it.

Looking forward to the 2C thread.  I'm in the market for one right now; it's gotta be a screwback with a hallmark and not "shinny" though. ;) They are somewhat common on ebay at the moment; just got to find a good price.

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Good luck with your search, hopefully you'll find a nice piece for a fair price. So far I collected six type&variants, I just have to find a two or three more and then I'll start a separate topic. 

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20 hours ago, paja said:

Good luck with your search, hopefully you'll find a nice piece for a fair price.

I think I just bought a good one.  Will share when it arrives and you start the new thread.

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Here it is.  It took a while to get from Bosnia to Florida but it was worth the wait.  Second Class, earlier version.  Sorry I can't focus any better on the hallmarks.

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Posted (edited)

Beautiful piece! I like the fact no one tried to clean it. I've been searching for a good early 2nd class for a while now.

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It took me a few months of searching on ebay but it was worth it.  Big delay with Bosnia post (over a month) so it caused some concern but all's well that ends well.  Less than US$ 30 including P&P.

Any guess on the date of production with the 24k serial number?  Late 1940s?

 

Oh, and here it is in the new display. ;)

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That's a good deal and a very nice collection!

I would say that your piece was produced in 1945 or 1946. Note that I'm making a guess because I have a same type screw IKOM 3rd class awarded in April 1946 with a number 93,633.

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2 hours ago, BalkanCollector said:

That's a good deal and a very nice collection!

I would say that your piece was produced in 1945 or 1946. Note that I'm making a guess because I have a same type screw IKOM 3rd class awarded in April 1946 with a number 93,633.

Thanks for your information and your kind words.  So it was produced in 1945/46 but we really have no idea when it was awarded, or if it was awarded, do we?  Not necessarily this particular piece but since we see so many unissued Yugo awards available it makes me wonder why they made so many awards than they needed.

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I would say your piece was awarded. It has nice patina and signs of wear. To be honest all those unawarded pieces look too good to be true. A few collectors opened my eyes by poiting out some details which lead to think those unawarded pieces are very suspicious. You can check the topic Shinny IKOM orders and see what I'm talking about.

 

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Nice orders, everybody.

Given the question about serial numbers and awarding dates, I am sharing pictures of a nice early OZN III class with documents from my collection. Serial number 15284, awarded in April 1946 to the Slovenian Branko Pocar.

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Luckily, a few more papers allow to add something more about this soldier, which is almost never the case with Yugoslavian awards... The award came with his military discharge:

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Branko was born on the 1st of May, 1925 (so what else could he become if not a partisan? ;)), in a small village on the Italo-Slovenian border, Štjak. He was a farmer. He joined the Liberation Front on 17 September 1943, at the age of 18. He served until 17 April 1947, leaving the ranks as sergeant and with a severance pay of 5,000 dinars.

In august 1949, he was in Maribor, Slovenia. Here he joined the veteran's association, SUBNOR, and thanks to this we are able to know his face:

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He kept paying his membership until 1988... 

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In addition to this, I can only add that I have my grandfather's certificate (unfortunately the certificate only, the award went missing), stating that he got his OZN III class on 7 October 1947, order number 48447.

Balkan Collector mentioned an order 93k awarded in April 1946. As we know, Yugoslav orders were not awarded strictly in progressive order, so without a certificate pointing to the exact year is pretty much anybody's guess... Still 1946-47 seems the most reasonable period.

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Unfortunately not, this is all there was on offer...

Here's another OZN III early ZIN type that I had once and gave away after getting the above one. It's a close serial, 14942.

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What is interesting is that the shaft on this one is much longer, I don't know why. This is something I noticed from time to time, on some other early ZIN orders. It was probably not very comfortable to wear on the chest. :sleep:

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2 hours ago, Drugo said:

What is interesting is that the shaft on this one is much longer, I don't know why.

Great set!  Thanks.  Re: the shaft.  In the Soviet Union these were occasionally shortened by the owners to lessen the poke-in-the-chest factor.  And it's usually fairly obvious when they've been shortened.

This may be the case in Yugoslavia, or it may be differing suppliers(if such a thing existed) delivered different shaft lengths or perhaps even theft of material.

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My piece has a long shaft. I've never actually payed much attention to that detail so thanks for pointing that out. 

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Also, I have this box for the 3rd class. It has number 87,436 written on the bottom. I'm assuming it's a box for the shorter shaft version since my order which has the number 93,633 sticks out when it's in the box.

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You can see it doesn't fit like it's supposed to.

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Here's the better photo of the reverse.

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5 hours ago, BalkanCollector said:

Also, I have this box for the 3rd class. It has number 87,436 written on the bottom. I'm assuming it's a box for the shorter shaft version since my order which has the number 93,633 sticks out when it's in the box.

I don't believe that boxes were differentiated according to shaft length. What usually happened was that the longer shafts or sharper ends would simply pierce the inner fabric of the box, making space for the shaft. 

As for what concerns the reason why there are different shafts, I don't think they were shortened at a later stage, as Eric rightly states, the cut would be obvious to detect. Why they came out in different lenghts, it's hard to say.

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