dond Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Funny thing is all the expensive ones are still on it. I have a good KO marked EK2 for it. The Centenaur should not be hard to find. I believe the LS should be the Landwehr XX year cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Nice !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeheld Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 great medal bar and easy to restore regards Seeheld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Don, What is the cipher on the SEK4X? Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt had its own Dienstauszeichnung, but Schwarzburg-Sondershausen typically awarded active NCOs the silver Ehrenmedaille for 12 years' service. I think the missing one is more likely an earlier-awarded Prussian DA3 for 9 years' service or a DA1 for 15 years. An LD2 is possible, but I think he is more likely an career NCO who then took a civil service job (military service time would count toward the Treuedienst-Ehrenzeichen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansson Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Nice project Don. Sadly someone did "butcher" the bar during the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dave Danner said: Don, What is the cipher on the SEK4X? Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt had its own Dienstauszeichnung, but Schwarzburg-Sondershausen typically awarded active NCOs the silver Ehrenmedaille for 12 years' service. I think the missing one is more likely an earlier-awarded Prussian DA3 for 9 years' service or a DA1 for 15 years. An LD2 is possible, but I think he is more likely an career NCO who then took a civil service job (military service time would count toward the Treuedienst-Ehrenzeichen). It's GFC for Schwarzburg-Sonderhausen.As for the LS medal, the thread for tieing the award down around the ose is still present. The distance from the tie down (top of the medal to the bottom of the bar is approx 34mm. The missing medals make absolutely no sense to me because they are all common and relatively cheap. Edited March 25, 2017 by dond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Maybe someone had a three-medal bar missing those medals, and decided to fix it and sell it for some quick cash, figuring he could fix this one anytime later. There were 87 total awards of the SEK4X from Sondershausen, of which 3 were replaced with later awards of the SEK3X. Probably half can be immediately ruled out because of other awards, dying before the Third Reich so no Treuedienst possible, or too young for the Centenary. For a few recipients, the files noted that their SEM2 was returned, as was supposed to happen, but didn't always occur. Of the awards, 21 were to Feldwebelleutnants, 40 to Offizier-Stellvertreter, 12 to junior medical officials (Unterärzte and Feldhilfsärzte), and 5 to Zahlmeister. Most of the rest were to various Beamter-types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) Nice Schwarzburg bar... really very easy to restore: I would put a Landwehr DA 2. Klasse or 1. Klasse and a Zentenarmedaille... if you put a Landwehr 2nd class you would have to invest about 20-30 USD + EK2 (30-40), with a 1st class maybe 100-150 USD more... either way really doable... Edited March 26, 2017 by Claudio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 Dave, thanks for the info. I will ponder which DA I will go with. Perhaps when I go to attach the Centenarmedal it will become more clear. Everyone else, thanks for the nice comments. I'll update this thread as the restoration takes place. Hopefully by then I will figure out why my phone pics post upside down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Ahhh, So you bought it! I'm glad. I gave pause myself when I saw it for sale. An excellent restore project that shouldn't be too daunting. I really like the double Schwarzburg awards. I have a medal bar and ribbon bar set with two Schwarzburgs on them. It was also missing medals and I restored it using the best information I had. I look forward to seeing your progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 On 3/25/2017 at 11:33, Dave Danner said: Don, What is the cipher on the SEK4X? Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt had its own Dienstauszeichnung, but Schwarzburg-Sondershausen typically awarded active NCOs the silver Ehrenmedaille for 12 years' service. I think the missing one is more likely an earlier-awarded Prussian DA3 for 9 years' service or a DA1 for 15 years. An LD2 is possible, but I think he is more likely an career NCO who then took a civil service job (military service time would count toward the Treuedienst-Ehrenzeichen). Dave, Then did the NCO receive a DA at 9 yrs then the ehren medal at 12 years? chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Nice! I agree with Dave that the DA was more likely a Prussian DA (9 or 15 years) for a career NCO than an LD2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 Here is what I'm considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottplen Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Very nice bar !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 13 hours ago, dond said: Here is what I'm considering. Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansson Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 5 hours ago, Claudius said: Excellent. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Turned out beautifully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 Nice job fixing a rare bar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 Luckily the bar was not mint so finding replacements with appropriate wear was easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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